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Titan Buff

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black tie lottery
Them Again...
#1 - 2014-01-23 12:29:00 UTC  |  Edited by: black tie lottery
I am a lover of all ships of every size. Some might even call me a collector but I tend to use my assests rather than sit on them.

That being said; I currently own all supers and all titans but the leviathan (for the simple reason that they suck) and I can't help but notice a massive difference in price as well as usefulness.

As it stands a carrier can be bought fully fit for around 2.2 billion. A nice amount of money but not overly expensive.
The n3 flagship (the archon) is the most used capital in eve at the moment and for 2.2 billion it is easy to replace.
a super carrier averages at about 27 billion combat fit. Now super carriers are interesting to me and I don't know if they are good or bad. Some aspects of them are great; The logistics capability (both moving around and repping), they are able to kill a carrier that isn't in triage solo, in large numbers they can kill structures very easily and most importantly to bitter vets they are not overly expensive to replace.

Now we come to titans. Titans used to be marvelled at. It was a great accomplishment for a pilot to own one but costs a small fortune for the pleasure. That fact hasn't changed! I do a lot of forum work on the sell orders page re-selling big ships for small profit and I have come across the simple old fact that titans are going up in price but going doing in usefulness.
I won't go on too much about previous nerfs but let me just list the most important ones in my eyes; Mass reduction on tank, huge hit on tracking, the DD was nerfed x1, x2, x3 times and with this latest patch of all capital turrets getting reduced tracking means a double hit on the titan.
Many of you will agree with those changes but I can almost guarantee you do not own a titan or haven't done since they were released to see what a difference it is between Dec 16 2005 - 2014.

CCP please remember that the players are paying on average 120 billion (6 times the amount of a singe super carrier hull) for something that could get solo'd by a dominix and a hic given enough time.

This is not acceptable and I don't even fly my titans in combat.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-01-23 12:42:01 UTC
Rrrrriiiiiiiigggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhttttt.........

There is no Bob.

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2014-01-23 12:42:50 UTC
black tie lottery wrote:
I am a lover of all ships of every size. Some might even call me a collector but I tend to use my assests rather than sit on them.

That being said; I currently own all supers and all titans but the leviathan (for the simple reason that they suck) and I can't help but notice a massive difference in price as well as usefulness.

As it stands a carrier can be bought fully fit for around 2.2 billion. A nice amount of money but not overly expensive.
The n3 flagship (the archon) is the most used capital in eve at the moment and for 2.2 billion it is easy to replace.
a super carrier averages at about 27 billion combat fit. Now super carriers are interesting to me and I don't know if they are good or bad. Some aspects of them are great; The logistics capability (both moving around and repping), they are able to kill a carrier that isn't in triage solo, in large numbers they can kill structures very easily and most importantly to bitter vets they are not overly expensive to replace.

Now we come to titans. Titans used to be marvelled at. It was a great accomplishment for a pilot to own one but costs a small fortune for the pleasure. That fact hasn't changed! I do a lot of forum work on the sell orders page re-selling big ships for small profit and I have come across the simple old fact that titans are going up in price but going doing in usefulness.
I won't go on too much about previous nerfs but let me just list the most important ones in my eyes; Mass reduction on tank, huge hit on tracking, the DD was nerfed x1, x2, x3 times and with this latest patch of all capital turrets getting reduced tracking means a double hit on the titan.
Many of you will agree with those changes but I can almost guarantee you do not own a titan or haven't done since they were released to see what a difference it is between Dec 16 2005 - 2014.

CCP please remember that the players are paying on average 120 billion (6 times the amount of a singe super carrier hull) for something that could get solo'd by a dominix and a hic given enough time.

This is not acceptable and I don't even fly my titans in combat.


And a battleship can be killed with a single noobship, what is your point? While titans having another role than being jump bridges would be nice being able to track subcaps does not need to be one of the things it does.

From a gameplay design perspective i think it makes the most sense for Titans to be the kings of capital combat but being seriously vulnerable to subcaps without proper supcap support of their own.

Combined arms and all that.

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black tie lottery
Them Again...
#4 - 2014-01-23 12:53:58 UTC  |  Edited by: black tie lottery
Garviel Tarrant wrote:


And a battleship can be killed with a single noobship, what is your point? While titans having another role than being jump bridges would be nice being able to track subcaps does not need to be one of the things it does.

From a gameplay design perspective i think it makes the most sense for Titans to be the kings of capital combat but being seriously vulnerable to subcaps without proper supcap support of their own.

Combined arms and all that.


A battleship has drones to kill a noobship. And Titans are not the kings of capital warfare. They can DD a capital to half armor if it has a DD tank before becoming completely useless for 10 minutes.

A super can kill it in less than 10 minutes...
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#5 - 2014-01-23 13:24:08 UTC
black tie lottery wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:


And a battleship can be killed with a single noobship, what is your point? While titans having another role than being jump bridges would be nice being able to track subcaps does not need to be one of the things it does.

From a gameplay design perspective i think it makes the most sense for Titans to be the kings of capital combat but being seriously vulnerable to subcaps without proper supcap support of their own.

Combined arms and all that.


A battleship has drones to kill a noobship. And Titans are not the kings of capital warfare. They can DD a capital to half armor if it has a DD tank before becoming completely useless for 10 minutes.

A super can kill it in less than 10 minutes...


If the battleship has the wrong drones it dies to the noobship.

But of course a more direct comparison to your example would be say.. two frigates (And no drones from one battleship cannot kill two competent frigates unless its a geddon/domi)

As to the other one, i said i think it SHOULD be the king, not that it is. I do agree that a titan should be a badass thing to bring on the field. I just don't agree that it should be a trump card that works fine against all other ships. A fleet of subcaps and caps should be more viable that a fleet with only caps (In my opinion).

Provides more varied interesting gameplay.

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Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-01-23 13:59:03 UTC
black tie lottery wrote:


CCP please remember that the players are paying on average 120 billion (6 times the amount of a singe super carrier hull) for something that could get solo'd by a dominix and a hic given enough time.

This is not acceptable and I don't even fly my titans in combat.


You're absolutely right, this is unacceptable.

The HIC shouldn't be necessary, the Dominix should be able to hold the Titan using a normal point. Supercaps are combat ships, not fancy haulers - remove their built-in, penalty-free WCS.
black tie lottery
Them Again...
#7 - 2014-01-23 14:02:54 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:


As to the other one, i said i think it SHOULD be the king, not that it is. I do agree that a titan should be a badass thing to bring on the field. I just don't agree that it should be a trump card that works fine against all other ships. A fleet of subcaps and caps should be more viable that a fleet with only caps (In my opinion).

Provides more varied interesting gameplay.


This was my point :) I believe that you are paying for that DD to be a win button. they used to be as well..
Sid Crash
#8 - 2014-01-23 17:11:07 UTC
Way too much effort for being an intentional troll so we have to assume you're actually serious.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#9 - 2014-01-23 17:36:59 UTC
care factor is 0.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

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black tie lottery
Them Again...
#10 - 2014-01-23 17:47:29 UTC
I can tell all you guys fly retrievers in 0.8 systems to avoid those pesky thrashers. Don't worry, this is a safe place.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#11 - 2014-01-23 17:53:51 UTC
black tie lottery wrote:
I can tell all you guys fly retrievers in 0.8 systems to avoid those pesky thrashers. Don't worry, this is a safe place.


Because all players either own multiple supercaps or mine in hisec. And if you aren't concerned about the awful plight of the former then you must be a member of the later. Troll somewhere else.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

black tie lottery
Them Again...
#12 - 2014-01-23 17:59:42 UTC
Batelle wrote:

Because all players either own multiple supercaps or mine in hisec. And if you aren't concerned about the awful plight of the former then you must be a member of the later. Troll somewhere else.


Why don't you stop trolling this super serious forum post?
illirdor
Upper Class Goat
#13 - 2014-01-23 18:52:28 UTC
black tie lottery wrote:
Batelle wrote:

Because all players either own multiple supercaps or mine in hisec. And if you aren't concerned about the awful plight of the former then you must be a member of the later. Troll somewhere else.


Why don't you stop trolling this super serious forum post?


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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#14 - 2014-01-24 13:25:20 UTC
To quote Oveur (or at least to paraphrase):

Quote:
It's not supposed to be cost-effective; it's a huge p*nis
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2014-01-24 14:54:00 UTC
Might I suggest that if eve isn't pay to win enough for you that star citizen might be a better place to invest all that money you are spending on plex. At least there if (and that is with a highly qualified IF) it comes out it seems to guarantee that you can have an instant "I win" that only the nobles can have. No descamisados able to interfere with your spaceship.
black tie lottery
Them Again...
#16 - 2014-01-24 15:15:41 UTC
Froggy Storm wrote:
Might I suggest that if eve isn't pay to win enough for you that star citizen might be a better place to invest all that money you are spending on plex. At least there if (and that is with a highly qualified IF) it comes out it seems to guarantee that you can have an instant "I win" that only the nobles can have. No descamisados able to interfere with your spaceship.


Not everyone has to play by plex. It is very doable to create 100's of billions just by being good at something.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#17 - 2014-01-25 19:48:11 UTC
I know over a dozen people with titans.. Not one of them plexed it.. (The amount of money required to plex a titan is absurd)

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Random Woman
Very Professional Corporation
#18 - 2014-01-25 19:58:36 UTC
put an armor repper or an shieldbooster on your titan, and you dont have to worry about solo domis anymore.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-01-25 21:46:19 UTC
Delete all titans.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Atomeon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-01-27 22:53:41 UTC
This weapon can only fire on ships that are capital-sized or larger. However if the ship is smaller (non capital) it losses one third to half of its EHP and gets a buff that cant be effected (from a DD again) for the next 3mins.

Example if a BS has currently (not its maximum amount) 30k EHP; when a DD activated near then is losses 10k to 15k HP and gets a buff for 3mins to not affected by any new DD in that time.
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