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Is roleplaying as a woman a sign of homosexuality?

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Zoe Kaltana
Kaltana Industries
#61 - 2014-01-23 15:26:45 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Diamond Zerg wrote:
Isn't it a part of gay culture to try and be more feminine? Or do I totally have the wrong end of the stick?


As a guy who has a lot of gay, bisexual and transgender friends, I can safely say that you absolutely have the wrong end of the stick!

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Definitely the wrong end of the 'stick'.

Dammit Diamond! Get on the right in of the stick ShockedTwisted

RollLol
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#62 - 2014-01-23 15:28:26 UTC
Zoe Kaltana wrote:
Slade Trillgon wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Diamond Zerg wrote:
Isn't it a part of gay culture to try and be more feminine? Or do I totally have the wrong end of the stick?


As a guy who has a lot of gay, bisexual and transgender friends, I can safely say that you absolutely have the wrong end of the stick!

Big smile




Definitely the wrong end of the 'stick'.

Dammit Diamond! Get on the right in of the stick ShockedTwisted

RollLol



My first post was mostly serious, but this guy is just begging for it. I am trying to keep it PG-13 to R Lol
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#63 - 2014-01-23 16:13:18 UTC
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#64 - 2014-01-23 16:34:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Diamond Zerg wrote:


Isn't it a part of gay culture to try and be more feminine? Or do I totally have the wrong end of the stick?


Gay men like men. And things masculine.

Why on Earth would a gay man try to act and be feminine at all ?

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ed: admitedly, when I was much younger, I did act a bit more feminine. I believe this came from exposure to the older gay men at the time (before they all died by 1995) acting that way as they had since the 50's. That was their way of being "different" and amusing themselves with camp. They really had to stick secretly and closely together in those days. The signal that one was gay, was to wear a lavendar hankie in the breast pocket. That kind of stuff.

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This is why I get angry at the Fundamentalists here in America who spout this kind of stuff, and have never actually met or known a gay person at all. Even a lot of our state laws and other nonsense (I can be kicked out of an apartment in Mississippii if I were found out) is based on this type of misinformation being tossed about. It's actually dangerous.

Those who cross dress are doing it for 3 reasons: performances, as a light-hearted costume for whatever occasion, or because they enjoy it (and most of these guys are straight, overwhelmingly).

On the other hand.....I have stories both experienced and heard over the years about truck stops, roadside rest areas, and airport bathrooms, that would make your hair curl. And all the guys involved are "straight".

The number of people who are actually legitimately and 100% straight is highly, highly exaggerated. It's one of the largest and longest running lies our culture tells itself.

Most of that comes from "shame" derived from Biblical beliefs.

Sad how Western religions use beliefs to shame people.

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#65 - 2014-01-23 16:49:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


ed: admitedly, when I was much younger, I did act a bit more feminine. I believe this came from exposure to the older gay men at the time (before they all died by 1995) acting that way as they had since the 50's. That was their way of being "different" and amusing themselves with camp. They really had to stick secretly and closely together in those days. The signal that one was gay, was to wear a lavendar hankie in the breast pocket. That kind of stuff.


I had to read a very outdated textbook on sex in my Human Sexuality and Social Change class in grad school. Can't remember the name, but it was yellow. It touched on the handkerchief thing and our Homosexual professor said that did not happen. He was younger than you and I so he was probably miss informed.


Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Those who cross dress are doing it for 3 reasons: performances, as a light-hearted costume for whatever occasion, or because they enjoy it (and most of these guys are straight, overwhelmingly).


I touched on that with my original post and 100% agree.

Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
On the other hand.....I have stories both experienced and heard over the years about truck stops, roadside rest areas, and airport bathrooms, that would make your hair curl. And all the guys involved are "straight".


The good ole glory hole. You never know who is on the other side eek

Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
The number of people who are actually legitimately and 100% straight is highly, highly exaggerated. It's one of the largest and longest running lies our culture tells itself.


I have said similar things in the past. I will say it again. Sexuality, like most other things in the human experience, occurs along a bell curve and most people are in the absolute middle. They may never think about it or the suppress it, but yes I believe most people operate within a bisexual range. I almost joked earlier that if I was in jail for any extended period of time I may just switch for a bit. The need for human touch is quite powerful and it may just take an extreme situation for the attraction to the same sex to rise to the forefront of an individuals thought process.
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#66 - 2014-01-23 17:23:26 UTC
Were I ever to enter the Captains Quarter I would doubtless feel much more sexually secure if I could stare at a womans butt instead of a mans. I certainly would get a lot more enjoyment out of staring at a females butt.
As it is, that is a problem that will remain unsolved for quite some time, apparently.

So, the true question is: Are men playing male avatars and using the Captains Quarters homosexual?


On the topic of closet homosexuality: I also have the theory that men who like male sports are homosexuals in self-denial as well. Football fans especially.
Really, what other explanation is there for watching two groups of well-built men in shorts running in circles and kicking a ball?

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#67 - 2014-01-23 17:28:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Nerath Naaris wrote:

On the topic of closet homosexuality: I also have the theory that men who like male sports are homosexuals in self-denial as well. Football fans especially.
Really, what other explanation is there for watching two groups of well-built men in shorts running in circles and kicking a ball?


If you had said wrestling, judo, jiu jitsu I may have agreed, but I watch footbal for this and these. 2:20 in the 2nd video is spectacular.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#68 - 2014-01-23 18:47:09 UTC
Diamond Zerg wrote:


Anyway, is this behaviour a sign of homosexuality? Does it reflect the desire some men have to be more like a woman?
Who gives a damn? Your odds of boinking anoyone on the other end of an EVE avatar is somewhere in very close proximity to "Zero." That is pretty much the ONLY situation where this kind of information is of any use - Unless one wishes to troll folks about their sexuality. And if that's the purpose, well, there are a LOT better places to do that.
Might I suggest you visit 4chan?
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#69 - 2014-01-23 18:58:46 UTC
Diamond Zerg wrote:

Isn't it a part of gay culture to try and be more feminine? Or do I totally have the wrong end of the stick?

Rock Hudson. John Wayne.

Think before posting.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2014-01-23 20:19:35 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Diamond Zerg wrote:
Doesn't that strike you as an indicator, at least in some cases, for homosexual tendencies?


So, this thread kind of smells a little bit trollish, but I'll give a response because when taken seriously, the choices we make when we create an avatar are pretty interesting, and I find the sociology behind the EVE Universe and how we all interact within it pretty fascinating.

Big smile

As a guy who quite openly admits that he likes guys and girls, (I've joked with a lot of players about cute Gallente and Caldari guys on these forums), I see this as an absolutely ludicrous statement.

I find it pretty cool that you're so open about this. In my country you risk facing harassment in the workplace and in many states you can even be fired as there's no legal protection against that kind of discrimination.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#71 - 2014-01-23 20:46:49 UTC
I'll reply... sure what the heck.

I have a total, if you include my inactive random accounts, about 9 total accounts.

I have varying degrees of avatars, 99% male. My first female avatar I made because I wanted to. I was not going to role play as her, I was just bored of making male avatars and wanted to change it up. The little rping I do, which is like when I am bored, she is the sister of one of my other char's.

There was no other reason besides I wanted to make a hauling alt and went 'mm yea lets try a female for the hell of it' I have another female on a new account I keep forgetting to train, and I made her because I wanted a, for lack of a better phrase 'hot picture to look at al day' so one was cause I was bored and figured sure, the other because I saw a female avatar on the forums and went 'woah I would love to look at that all day' so I made one I would like. *shrugs*

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#72 - 2014-01-23 21:04:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Were I ever to enter the Captains Quarter I would doubtless feel much more sexually secure if I could stare at a womans butt instead of a mans. I certainly would get a lot more enjoyment out of staring at a females butt.
As it is, that is a problem that will remain unsolved for quite some time, apparently.

So, the true question is: Are men playing male avatars and using the Captains Quarters homosexual?


If seeing a man's butt makes you feel insecure, you may have found the solution to your "problem".

You're second issue here is irrelevant and frankly makes no sense. It sure smacks of your own paranoia though.

Nerath Naaris wrote:
On the topic of closet homosexuality: I also have the theory that men who like male sports are homosexuals in self-denial as well. Football fans especially.
Really, what other explanation is there for watching two groups of well-built men in shorts running in circles and kicking a ball?


That's not it. It's the fact they have 2 guys bending over called Wide Receivers.

But your question still smacks of ignorance, paranoia, and homophobia.

Congratulations.

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Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#73 - 2014-01-23 21:12:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Dersen Lowery
The root problem with all these categories is that they're just a way to avoid looking at people as people first and foremost. With the caveat that 'straight' and 'gay' are points on a continuum that can change, and with the additional caveats surrounding sex and gender, I'm a straight, married man. I've also done tabletop roleplaying since the early 1980s.

When I was young and foolish, I believed that men couldn't play women, and so all my characters were men. I tried it once, finally, and I did so deliberately not playing a male-fantasy character. It's not actually that hard. It helps if you actually get to know women as people, read things that they write, talk to them, all that good stuff. (This advice holds if you're a woman who doesn't think she can play a man, too, and so forth across categories.) All you need is empathy and experience, and it's not that hard. The only obstacles are the ones you place in front of yourself, because you have one block or another that prevents you from identifying with someone unlike yourself in some essentially arbitrary way.

After so many decades creating characters, they just spring out now. I want a combat character... OK, here's a hard-charging, hard-partying, sexually omnivorous Gallente male (pictured at left). I want a scout for him... OK, that'll be his liberal-arts-educated, fitness-freak, and considerably more prepared sister. Generally, but not always, the personality comes out first, and then outward markers fall into place based on that.

Not all of them are pretty. In fact, some of them are deliberately plain, or at least flawed. At least one of them is the result of trying to see where I could push the character creator. The genesis varies, but the goal for me is to flesh out a believable person. Everything else is detail.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#74 - 2014-01-23 21:29:19 UTC
About that lavender hanky thing........

" It is thought that the wearing of bandanas by gay men originated in San Francisco after the Gold Rush, when, because of a shortage of women, men dancing with each other in square dances developed a code wherein the man wearing the blue bandana took the male part in the square dance, and the man wearing the red bandana took the female part (these bandanas were usually worn around the arm or hanging from the belt or in the back pocket of one's jeans)"

" It is thought that the modern hanky code started in New York City in late 1970 or early 1971 when a journalist for the Village Voice joked that instead of simply wearing keys to indicate whether someone was a "top" or a "bottom", it would be more efficient to subtly announce their particular sexual focus by wearing different colored hankies."

"While the hanky code was widely used in the 70’s and early 80’s, it then went into decline for many reasons (the increased visibility of gays making it obsolete, the decline of cruising in the face of the AIDS crisis, etc.)."

Apparently the 1950's lavender hanky was primarily a British thing. Here is a picture of Quentin Crisp late in life having dyed his hair lavender in remembrance of AIDS victims.

In America, the identifier was questions related to "The Wizard of Oz" film. The gay men back then idolized Dorothy as a symbol (and continue to do so). When they went to bars (there was no such thing as a gay bar then), to find out who was who, they would casually insert into the conversation "Are you a friend of Dorothy?", certainly an innocent enough question.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

unidenify
Deaf Armada
#75 - 2014-01-23 21:42:31 UTC
so, what about those character with really really ugly face?

what it suppose to mean?
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#76 - 2014-01-23 22:07:10 UTC
hmm missing posts... logical posts.. whatever :/

OP, point to where the big bad ganker touched you inappropriately.

1. Undocked in high sec starting in on second year of EVE finally having a BS and feeling inviiiincible!
2. Invincible so went to low sec to do some ratting.
3. Surrounded by gankers in frigates within 30 secs and popped in less.
4. Before being podded, noticed all the avatars were... WOMEN!
5. Feel's humiliated, deeply humiliated, pwnd by women!
6. came to forum to get revenge.

EVE is pretty much a PvP based game, OP. No matter how you cut it, even if you never leave high sec, you are still participating in PvP. As with most/all PvP games, PvPers like to role girls to p0wn you, simple as that, nothing more. This game has very-very little actual "role-play" participation by this community as you suggest, it's about PvP. If you want "role-play" go back to WoW? You can play female elves there, live in a fantasy world, all safe a and sound. Here you get pwnd by girls!

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Occultus Sapientia
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Caldari State
#77 - 2014-01-23 22:25:18 UTC
unidenify wrote:
so, what about those character with really really ugly face?

what it suppose to mean?

You called..?
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#78 - 2014-01-23 22:37:06 UTC
And does this all mean I've got a thing for Bruce Willis? Or only for Korben Dallas?

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CCP Falcon
#79 - 2014-01-23 22:38:12 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Diamond Zerg wrote:
Doesn't that strike you as an indicator, at least in some cases, for homosexual tendencies?


So, this thread kind of smells a little bit trollish, but I'll give a response because when taken seriously, the choices we make when we create an avatar are pretty interesting, and I find the sociology behind the EVE Universe and how we all interact within it pretty fascinating.

Big smile

As a guy who quite openly admits that he likes guys and girls, (I've joked with a lot of players about cute Gallente and Caldari guys on these forums), I see this as an absolutely ludicrous statement.

I find it pretty cool that you're so open about this. In my country you risk facing harassment in the workplace and in many states you can even be fired as there's no legal protection against that kind of discrimination.


Yeah, it really sucks in certain areas of the world. Obviously I won't get into political discussion, but that's one of the things that really drew me to come work for CCP, because even where I'm from in the UK there's elements of social awkwardness around same sex relationship and involvement.

There's a fantastic atmosphere working here, and CCP is incredibly supportive in this regard. I think it kind of goes hand in hand with how chill Icelanders are about lifestyle choices in general. Being here makes you feel incredibly relaxed in your own skin.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#80 - 2014-01-23 22:46:36 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

Yeah, it really sucks in certain areas of the world. Obviously I won't get into political discussion, but that's one of the things that really drew me to come work for CCP, because even where I'm from in the UK there's elements of social awkwardness around same sex relationship and involvement.

There's a fantastic atmosphere working here, and CCP is incredibly supportive in this regard. I think it kind of goes hand in hand with how chill Icelanders are about lifestyle choices in general. Being here makes you feel incredibly relaxed in your own skin.

Big smile



Yeah. When I lived in San Fran, I always thought Reykhavik should be made a "sister city". Paris was, and a few others.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882