Player Features and Ideas Discussion

1: This is an MMORPG. While the pocket may not have existed in real life terms until you the player generated it by having your character accept the mission from an agent, within the context of the game world that area of space always existed and you have simply been hired for a job.

2. Crime may start with motive, but punishment does not start with summary execution. What you are suggesting is the right to outright kill anyone in the area you do not authorize to be there on suspicion of criminal intent.

3. The warning system would be a fine deterrent, except for the legitimate reasons someone may want to be there within the context of the fantasy world of EVE. Thats like saying murder victims deserve their fate because they dared enter New York's Central Park alone at night.

4. You are sadly underinformed and uneducated concerning ownership under the aegis of a government in real life. Anyone has every legal permission to be in whatever portion of space the sovriegnity holding entity grants, and is subject only to the force that the holder can apply. Thats kind of why you have the mission in their space to begin with.

Except you cannot determine why they are there until they actually do something. They do get flagged at the appropriate time.

You do not need the right to summarily execute people just because they happen to be in a place you don't like on simple suspicion that they may be intending to do something you don't want to something that you yourself don't have the right too at that time.

You have failed to give any sort of proper reason why you should have the right to shoot people simply for being in the same public space as you are. It all boils down to the point of ownership, and you are simply incorrect in assuming the space is yours just because you were given a location for it.

Your entire premise for why the space should not be considered public ignores the fact that this is an RPG game, and carries a certain amount of imagination.

There is an assumed NPC population frequenting these locations on legitimate business all the time. The area is assumed to be open to the public at large. The mechanic of spawning a pocket is a fabrication to forward the storyline that something important happened at that otherwise mundane place at that particular time.

You are not creating a space, you are creating a storyline event. The space is the setting for that encounter---you don't own the stage, just your part in that particular play.

Your argument would be true only if we viewed the game in terms of pixels and data under our control, but that's now how the game world is intended to be viewed. If that were the case there would not be all this text you are supposed to be reading about the mission objectives and reasons for you to be heading to where you are going and such.

For your argument to work, you need to have a valid, in game reason that ownership of that portion of space has transferred to you during the course of the events being portrayed. You don't have that... instead you have some metagame "This pocket didn't exist until I willed it so" BS that only applies if the game was meant to be 100% out of character.

If you want to own space and shoot anyone that comes near you, it so happens that this is a game where you can make that happen. It also happens that the place for that sort of thing isn't in High Sec space... try one of the other 3 areas.

You know, I initially came into this thread to support your issue, just not your solution. That is done now, and you are actually slowing pushing my carebearish tendencies into actively hunting you down in game and shooting you just for being an annoying individual. Probably after I practice my probing skills finding you in a mission pocket just for the occasion. Every single time you regurgitate the assertion that you own the space due to the mechanics of accessing it you reveal yourself to be exactly the sort of whining incompetent that the PvP mouthbreathers claim.

Once again... if you want to claim that space as your own, provide a logical, in game and storyline consistent reason why the current owners listed at the top left of the screen gave it and everything in it to you to do with as you please. Arguing game mechanics while claiming storyline rights simply will not work. You cannot take the RP out of RPG.

While I, nor any other Player, can access the mission area, they are hubs of NPC activity used by the vast majority of the EVE universe on a daily basis. EVE is much more than a few thousand pod pilots ruling the spaceways. That sort of thing is what an RPG is all about.

Your argument is ignoring the RP part of MMORPG, and doing its best to forget the MM part as well. There is a difference between the out of character mechanics of game play, and the in game storyline that is supposed to be the heart of the game. PVE content is all about the RP in RPG.

You are wrong because you are trying to force out of game logic on in game storyline events. You do not, never have, nor ever will own that space. If you want to own space go forth into null sec and claim a patch of it. That is the nature of this game, and claiming otherwise due to the mechanics of how an encounter works will get you nowhere.

There is a difference between having the right to do something, and the ability. You are ignoring that.

Everyone has the right to access that space. Only the mission owner has the ability, because that space is the setting for an event in that characters story. You only own your own actions and your own ship--- the setting is part of the world and is owned by everyone.

Your argument is false because it is based on a false premise using unrelated facts to support a strawman conclusion.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal

They're owned by whoever has the power to claim ownership and enforce it. I can claim ownership of every mission site and enforce my claim by hiring an army of minions to suicide gank every mission runner who trespasses on one of MY mission sites. It's MY site, not yours.

Ownership:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ownership

Highlights:


ownership (ˈəʊnəʃɪp)

— n
1. the state or fact of being an owner
2. legal right of possession; proprietorship


And, it is pointed out that "ownership" can be for non-material items, such as in this case, a mission pocket.

I would argue that the reason that no other player in the game can access the mission pocket if the owner doesn't undock after pulling the mission is that the missioner is in the "state of ownership" and can exercise that power of ownership to keep the location to themselves.

but if u never go there, then its not urs either

thats a better argument than urs. and it still doesnt mean ppl should go suspect for entering ur mission.

so what would you ask for on F+I when thieves start using cloaked ships and inties?