Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm not against ideas that create more PvP and more interaction (although I feel this idea is unlikely to do either). What I am against is carebears whining for mechanics to be changed to suit them because they're unwilling to make an effort when all the tools they need are provided for them. Forcing a criminal flag, as an idea on its own, has merit but it comes with a cost which affects everyone, not just you. There is no problem with the current mechanics. The problem is you.

To be perfectly fair, he is being kind of whiny, and his idea does punish people who normally might not intend any harm or foul play. It doesn't help that he keeps saying "Criminal flag" when I think he means "Suspect flag", since Criminal would imply everyone would get concorded for setting foot in another person's missioning space, which is kind of the worst idea imaginable.

Does it surprise you that someone with a very limited knowledge of how the game works wants a thing changed when he doesn't understand the implications of such a change?

Did you actually come up with any valid reasons why mission runners are not able to use cloaks to loot, or to loot before the thieves can, or to suicide gank the thieves or to negotiate a deal with them? If you can explain why these strategies can't work, you may have a stronger argument.

Yes I believe these were addressed in earlier responses.

Read.

You have the general ideas.

I am arguing that the act of mission item theft/griefing, specifically in this particular COSMOS mission, is as close to an exploit as one can get without actually being called an exploit. And that the only thing preventing it from actually being labeled exploit is that CCP has not officially said that there are unintended consequences.

That said, I have also stated that the fact that CCP does in fact reset missions is an indication that they acknowledge that unintended consequences exist. So they know that there is a problem.

As a solution, I am not in favor of removing the ability of a mission thief to steal the item.

I am only suggesting that a suspect flag be generated for the suspicious act of choosing to warp into another player's mission pocket without a legal reason. This would balance out the risk/reward equations on both sides and create more legitimate counter-play options than currently exist.

If this suggestion is implemented, it would make the thief vulnerable to counter-play at the time the suspicious*** act is started and the thief would no longer have Concord protection until after the item is stolen.

With enough Talos, it kind of is. Looting the freighter wreck is maybe the hardest part.

As for your question, I am afraid you will have to read too. That has been addressed earlier.

Edit: you came into the thread a little late, so you may have missed it. But that's no excuse to be lazy.

At least we have people like you who post legitimate comments/opinions.

You are appreciated.

It is not an issue of whether it is "possible" for the missioner to obtain the mission item or not.

It is an issue where the risk/reward to the missioner is extremely disproportionate to that of the mission thief/griefer.

All of the reasons are listed in the original post.

Of course and that is valid as a game mechanic, but due to the cost of the item in discussion it will be prohibitive to do so to many. Since as far as I understand it the COSMOS missions are to take you through some of the lore aspects of EvE and you lose the subsequent missions if you fail I can't help but think in these very specific cases there is a good reason to amend the item drop location to be secured.

Extortion is one thing, using game mechanics is fine for profit too, but cutting a section of game out because a player can't afford the extortion demands is borderline exploit (on the legal side by a gnats nudger in my opinion).

I only propose that the items in these instances are secured up in some way, not that the game mechanics are changed.

This would be like reading a book, being stopped by a phone call mid chapter and coming back to find the rest of the book had self-destructed because you didn't realize you only had a day to read the chapter you were in and the guy at the door got in the way (whilst demanding you pay him to let you close the door)