Ships & Modules

The gun was the old bonus and I believe it was for dps.

Had a mix up on that.

The newer bonuses on it do make that tracking/range nice.

Which is nice for L4's but the tank is still a huge preference when helping someone with an L4.

I can see why you like it so much though now too.

Still got to go with Gila for the moment but I will be testing the Ishtar for it's aspects of once all areas have faction standings and you can dump the L1 ship completely so you have the extra M3.

For this I thank you for contributing to further knowledge in making this thread work better.

Having that it doesn't add more training other that medium guns it is a good honorable mention as another option for those interested in the hybrid aspect of both the caldari and gallente training.

Side note:
Other reason I run the gila is full time running of the prop mod to relieve incoming dps which is a big help on the tanking. Hybrids are not as forgiving on that as missiles and I prefer a non sentry gila as I already run non stop sentries with the RS.

I love the hell out of the Gila, but no WAY I would ever consider it superior in any way, shape, or form to the Ishtar. It just isn't in the same class.

OP, the suggestion to build this kind of thing offline, verify the accuracy, and then proof the living daylights out of it is a stellar suggestion. I would also go so far as to state, uncategorically, that it's all PERSONAL opinion and actual facts and usage demographics aren't getting in the way of your conclusions.

Back to the original subject.

I have been running “Mobile mission base” for quite a while. First you get a big industrial. I use a DST personally.
In your fully expanded indy, you place a packaged BC or CS, a packaged AF, and a packaged Venture. You pre-fit and save the fittings of all the ships. You can re-assemble and get everything together in a couple of minutes. You should be able to fit all the modules, hardener rainbows, and ammo you want, as well as some alternate fittings for the Venture, as that is a very useful utility frigate.

You now have the ability to do any L1 through L3 mission for any corp with ease. Venture will do mining missions and the DST for Distro. AF does L1 through L3, but BC/CS does L2 and L3 much faster.
You might say, Bah! Nobody does Mining and Distro missions, but if you’re after standing with a specific Corp and you find a sweet set of L3 sec agents in a station, but no L1 or L2 sec nearby, but there are Distro and mining agents. Then I run those until the L3 come available, which doesn’t take long.

This allows you to ditch the pre-reqs of learning to fly the Orca. Unless you already can, but I think the Orca is just too slow to move around, and doing a few quick distro missions in it would suck. The Orca is also not so great for low sec, but the DST is. So low sec stations are possible and you don't have to go where everyone else goes.

I don’t use rigs for the most part, as the ships are overkill already for the mission levels they are targeted for. If you want to use rigs, then just use tech-1s and treat them as expendables. I do install rigs in the indy, as it doesn’t travel packaged.
If I want looting, I have another char in a Noctis follow me around. The looting is independent of the mission running, so I am free to move to the next mission and let the salvage gang work the site. For the most part looting/salvaging L1 and L2 missions doesn’t net much.

It really doesn’t matter which racial ship you select. You just need to have the right class of ship available for all possibilities.
To do L4s, move in a well fitted BS to the place, as you’re going to be there awhile, while you can do L4s in a BC/CS, it is slower and only good for entertainment.

Finally, don't use faction ships, and/or expensive bling. Otherwise, you may go, "Hey what's up with all those Dessies..... Ah crap".....

There were no rigs in the game when I started playing, so they are just icing to me, or in some cases allow me not to have to fit a low slot power/cpu mod.

I thought your original topic was about how to optimize mission running for a lot of corps to build standing, which would entail moving your base of operations frequently. I discussed my logistics on how I like to pack my ship, and why the Orca is less desirable. The DST also pulls the job of hauling loot back to the main base of operations. Usually you can nano fit it and move it fairly fast in that role.

The thread did devolve rather quickly into this ship is better than that ship chatter. I use plain old tech-2 ships, plain tech-2 modules, or T1 meta to make cpu/power work. I have used both Amarr and Minmatar. Amarr has the advantage of no ammo to carry, but is not the best outside of Sansha/Bloods. So I primarily use Minmatar due to the ability to shift to all 4 damage types, and I just prefer Minmatar ships.

Wanna, talk no fun. Launch sentries. Order the robots to kill. Sit back, wait, wait, ok Win! Collect drones, warp.

Using an AF in a L3 is a bit of fun, and you actually have to fly your ship, and use some tactics. Sometimes I like to play, “How low can you go”, and local acquire a T1 Frig and try L3s. Lost a few, but good fun, and cheap to replace.

Using a Command Ship in L3 is a bit like the Sentry drone game play. Fit arty, warp in, turn away from NPC, press F1, watch ship pop. Repeat.

For the ultimate slaughter, bring a Logistic ship buddy and a CS to a L3. It’s like Superman in a boxing match. Short range fit, and all the loot ends up right next to you. But this becomes really boring once you’re done giggling.

As others have stated, your whole thread is based on false assumptions and littered with mistaken info while not actually explaining the point you seem to want to make.

Nope I love them cheap. I buy them to use them.

Just someone who has done the Gurista/Ore combo with a lot of SP for a very long time.

Trying to share what I found to be the most effective way of doing security missions with all 4 factions.

Hoping for some added info of which a small amount has shown up.