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HED protest

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Mario Putzo
#21 - 2014-01-22 04:16:04 UTC
A bloo bloo bloo.

6 months ago it was CCPs fault the node crashed and a TEST capital fleet ran away. Now the node didn't die and the Gooncoon Capital fleet got welped.

...Goon tears best tears.


Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2014-01-22 04:16:26 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Why do I get the impression that nullsec blobbers have a rather inflated sense of their playstyle, role, and stature in this game?



Because you're the kind of person that takes Eveo posting seriously

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#23 - 2014-01-22 04:18:18 UTC
The protest was yesterday. There was cake.

We missed you. Several people asked "Hey, where's that one guy who made that thing?" and people were like "Dude had somewhere else to be obviously... duh." to which I totally replied "Wait...that one guy is gone?!?!?! Its not really a party without that one guy. Sadface."

Yes, I totally said the word sadface. It was a low point in my evening and by then I had maybe like 5 too many Rum and Colas. It had to be generic store brand cola because Steve, also known as that other guy who did that one thing, got wasted last week and made fun on Coca-Cola, and they pulled the vending machine out of the lounge. Just disgraceful. Anyways, the Rum and Colas were still pretty good and I had too many of them.

Back to the story, There was cake. Good cake. No lie! It had frosting AND filling..made of frosting! We were all like NO WAY! It was damn fine cake. I had like..2 pieces or something. I totally spilled some down the front of this one chick... and one thing lead to another.. and she slapped me. It wasn't really a first. Ive been slapped about 6 times in my life, but this was the first time I got slapped by a handful of cake. She apologized and we shared a laugh. Ill be seeing her tomorrow night for some nachos. Women like nachos right? I have a coupon, so i figured nachos would be awesome.

Next time, read the alliance memo dude. That totally could have been you with rum and cola, cake and cake slap with a date with a girl and some nachos. Really nothing to protest about.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Toshiroma McDiesel
Lupus Draconis
The Lost Drone Society
#24 - 2014-01-22 04:18:29 UTC
Arboledaw wrote:

Massive(er) epic fights in single systems can be done with sufficient dev effort on CCP's part.


Going to call you on that, Name the "Massive(er) epic fights in single systems".

I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service.

Mario Putzo
#25 - 2014-01-22 04:22:53 UTC
Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
Arboledaw wrote:

Massive(er) epic fights in single systems can be done with sufficient dev effort on CCP's part.


Going to call you on that, Name the "Massive(er) epic fights in single systems".



Well in HED in like 2009 the node imploded with 800 dudes....the other day there was nearly 4K thats like 5 times massiver.
Toshiroma McDiesel
Lupus Draconis
The Lost Drone Society
#26 - 2014-01-22 04:37:38 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
Arboledaw wrote:

Massive(er) epic fights in single systems can be done with sufficient dev effort on CCP's part.


Going to call you on that, Name the "Massive(er) epic fights in single systems".



Well in HED in like 2009 the node imploded with 800 dudes....the other day there was nearly 4K thats like 5 times massiver.


Trying to figure out which of us read the leading statments wrong, I read Arbolesaw's statements up to that point in that he thinks that there have been bigger battles than one the other day that prove that it was a software fault that it was so TiDi.

I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service.

Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#27 - 2014-01-22 04:39:59 UTC
OP, you may protest by giving me all your stuff.

Posting in CFC tears thread #9736

HTFU or GTFO
Arboledaw
Sakura Holdings
#28 - 2014-01-22 05:04:08 UTC
Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
Arboledaw wrote:

Massive(er) epic fights in single systems can be done with sufficient dev effort on CCP's part.


Going to call you on that, Name the "Massive(er) epic fights in single systems".


I meant that I believe with more effort on CCP's part, we can get to the point where 5,000 / 10,000 / 20,000 man fights can occur without broken mechanics.

I work on server software and we gradually figure out how to make it more and more scalability. I don't know CCP's software but I believe that with effort, they can do it. It's easy but it's doable.
Arboledaw
Sakura Holdings
#29 - 2014-01-22 05:06:11 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:
OP, you may protest by giving me all your stuff.

Posting in CFC tears thread #9736

HTFU or GTFO


I can assure you I'd be posting the same concerns regardless of which coalition I'm in.
Regan Rotineque
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-01-22 05:10:51 UTC
inb4 CCP tells you to go whine at your alliance leadership......

and ISD does the sacred dance of the lock lock

Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#31 - 2014-01-22 05:16:29 UTC
Arboledaw wrote:
I work on server software and we gradually figure out how to make it more and more scalability. I don't know CCP's software but I believe that with effort, they can do it. It's easy but it's doable.


The issue is actually not so much the number of people in system, though that was stressing things pretty heavily. The issue is session changes, which happen when, for example, you jump a gate, enter a wormhole, undock, dock, or cyno into a system. Each player's session change is a DB query for All The Things, particularly skills and implants. If you cyno in 1500 people at once, you're going to spike Time Dilation hard because the server has to put everything on hold while it runs 1500 queries to support 1500 session changes. If you cyno 1500 people on grid with 1500 other people, then you have to send 1500*1500 notifications out in addition to all the session changes, with all of those tasks hitting the same thread that the physics engine lives in. If Time Dilation is already spiked hard... welp.

CCP is working on solutions for both problems--the so-called "brain in a box" to ease the burden of session changes, and a parallel (heh) project to pass the notification tasks (the 1500x1500 problem) to a thread running on (an)other core(s) on the same server. Until they announce those fixes, which are not simple, the tactic employed by RUS/CFC, while admirably ballsy, is more or less guaranteed to bring any server CCP uses to its knees if the force they're cynoing into is as big as PL/N3's was that day.

The work CCP is doing is essentially post-doctoral research (as in, CCP has hired post-docs to do the work on the basis of their dissertation subjects). If you're up for that, and you don't mind living in Iceland, send in a resume. Otherwise you'll just have to join the rest of us in accepting that you know little to nothing about the problems they're facing and why they're as intractable as they are. You can learn as much as their is to learn by spelunking through ca. 2011 and 2012 dev blogs and by stalking CCP Veritas on the forums.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!

Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#32 - 2014-01-22 05:20:31 UTC
Oh, good. I love goon tears.

This thread is full of them.

http://evenews24.com/2014/01/21/ccps-reaction-to-petitioned-ship-losses-in-hed-gp/

is for your tears. No ships will be reimbursed. So cry now so we can all enjoy it.

Keep trying to crash the nodes cause that works out well for you.

Oh, and you're just bad at eve.

More crying for your enjoyment.

http://evenews24.com/2014/01/20/leaks-aaa-reaction-to-the-loss-of-hed-gp/

and the fight.

http://evenews24.com/2014/01/19/hed-gp-more-like-hed-gg/

ENLI is the suk that fled test during that war wasn't it?
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#33 - 2014-01-22 05:22:11 UTC
Regan Rotineque wrote:
inb4 CCP tells you to go whine at your alliance leadership......

and ISD does the sacred dance of the lock lock




But, let them cry, it's fun to watch.
Mario Putzo
#34 - 2014-01-22 05:47:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Arboledaw wrote:
Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
Arboledaw wrote:

Massive(er) epic fights in single systems can be done with sufficient dev effort on CCP's part.


Going to call you on that, Name the "Massive(er) epic fights in single systems".


I meant that I believe with more effort on CCP's part, we can get to the point where 5,000 / 10,000 / 20,000 man fights can occur without broken mechanics.

I work on server software and we gradually figure out how to make it more and more scalability. I don't know CCP's software but I believe that with effort, they can do it. It's easy but it's doable.


And I am a big city lawyer and you are mentally hilarious.

"Hey guys I work on server software so I know what im talking about"

Yet can't comprehend why 700 Dreads jumping to a 2700 man grid with many thousands of drones was a bad TACTICAL decision and the fact the server did not implode is a testament to the strides CCP has made.
Arboledaw
Sakura Holdings
#35 - 2014-01-22 05:48:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Arboledaw
Arsine Mayhem wrote:
Oh, good. I love goon tears.

This thread is full of them.

http://evenews24.com/2014/01/21/ccps-reaction-to-petitioned-ship-losses-in-hed-gp/

is for your tears. No ships will be reimbursed. So cry now so we can all enjoy it.

Keep trying to crash the nodes cause that works out well for you.

Oh, and you're just bad at eve.

More crying for your enjoyment.

http://evenews24.com/2014/01/20/leaks-aaa-reaction-to-the-loss-of-hed-gp/

and the fight.

http://evenews24.com/2014/01/19/hed-gp-more-like-hed-gg/

ENLI is the suk that fled test during that war wasn't it?


This thread started with *my* dissapoinment in the experience of epic scale battles and I don't/didn't care who won. It was the broken mechanics during the fight that bothered me. I'm not foloowing any goon party line, these are my thoughts. Did you read the whole thread?
Arboledaw
Sakura Holdings
#36 - 2014-01-22 05:54:06 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Arboledaw wrote:
Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
Arboledaw wrote:

Massive(er) epic fights in single systems can be done with sufficient dev effort on CCP's part.


Going to call you on that, Name the "Massive(er) epic fights in single systems".


I meant that I believe with more effort on CCP's part, we can get to the point where 5,000 / 10,000 / 20,000 man fights can occur without broken mechanics.

I work on server software and we gradually figure out how to make it more and more scalability. I don't know CCP's software but I believe that with effort, they can do it. It's easy but it's doable.


And I am a big city lawyer and you are mentally hilarious.

"Hey guys I work on server software so I know what im talking about"

Yet can't comprehend why 700 Dreads jumping to a 2700 man grid with many thousands of drones was a bad TACTICAL decision and the fact the server did not implode is a testament to the strides CCP has made.


At the technology company I work at we've found that any weakness in our product can be addressed with focus and staff resources. I already said I don't know CCP's code but I believe they can make the epic fight experiences better with due effort.
Dace Onio
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2014-01-22 05:56:19 UTC
you wouldnt like my solution, it's results would include

nerf to corps an alliances
nerf to corp/alliance system holding
cap on fleet size
cap on local
reworking of sov structures

nerf tears are my fav tears
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#38 - 2014-01-22 06:12:11 UTC
Arboledaw wrote:
Arsine Mayhem wrote:
Oh, good. I love goon tears.

This thread is full of them.

http://evenews24.com/2014/01/21/ccps-reaction-to-petitioned-ship-losses-in-hed-gp/

is for your tears. No ships will be reimbursed. So cry now so we can all enjoy it.

Keep trying to crash the nodes cause that works out well for you.

Oh, and you're just bad at eve.

More crying for your enjoyment.

http://evenews24.com/2014/01/20/leaks-aaa-reaction-to-the-loss-of-hed-gp/

and the fight.

http://evenews24.com/2014/01/19/hed-gp-more-like-hed-gg/

ENLI is the suk that fled test during that war wasn't it?


This thread started with *my* dissapoinment in the experience of epic scale battles and I don't/didn't care who won. It was the broken mechanics during the fight that bothered me. I'm not foloowing any goon party line, these are my thoughts. Did you read the whole thread?


Oh yea, get out your C compiler and post the code here. Can you get that finished up in a day?
ROXGenghis
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2014-01-22 06:55:04 UTC
Arboledaw wrote:
Well, if anyone hears of an organized protest let me know. Thx all.

Not for nothing, but why do I get the feeling that players who need their protests spoonfed to them are the same ones who need their content spoonfed to them?

In other words, go ahead and organize a protest. There are plenty of who would join you I'm sure.
Arboledaw
Sakura Holdings
#40 - 2014-01-22 06:56:41 UTC
ROXGenghis wrote:
Arboledaw wrote:
Well, if anyone hears of an organized protest let me know. Thx all.

Not for nothing, but why do I get the feeling that players who need their protests spoonfed to them are the same ones who need their content spoonfed to them?

In other words, go ahead and organize a protest. There are plenty of who would join you I'm sure.


Thank you. I have a few ideas of my own but wanted so if any are out there. Agree with your point though, thx.