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6 days and 3 ships later

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Yve Mountbatten
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-01-22 00:30:43 UTC
So in 6 days of my trial account, I have managed to complete all career agent tutorials (still don't know what to be), completed various level 1 missions and I'm halfway through Blood Stained Stars.

I've destroyed a Merlin and an Ibis while being too ambitious in a security mission.

Last night was the most depressing of all my moments on Eve.

While heading back to Arnon with all my possessions, I stopped to do a side mission. It was late and I was tired. I awoke to find my Cormorant and all my items (career agent modules, salvaged items and my few items which I stared to trade with) destroyed. They had been replaced with my capsule.

I am quite disappointed and very disheartened. So much time and effort in salvaging - all for nothing.

So should I stay or should I go? Having lost everything, it's easy to leave. However, I'd prefer to stay only I don't know how to move forward.

With only a modest amount of ISK (relative to a 6 day old), if I can, should I buy a Cormorant or is there another ship that would be better? I liked the Cormorant, but there might be something more suitable.

Do I rebuild it using the modules as provided in career agent tutorials or are there other builds (assuming I can afford them) which would be better?

I'm assuming BSS shouldn't really be done using Ibis, Merlin or Heron, so without a Cormorant or equivalent, I guess I'm back to mining or trading.

Do I have any other options?

Any and all help is greatly appreciated.
Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-01-22 00:42:52 UTC
That is the nature of sandbox gameplay my friend.

No pause button.

No game saves.

Genuine consequences.

A month from now you'll laugh at a few mil loss. Pick yourself up and try something new.

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#3 - 2014-01-22 00:55:55 UTC
You can use a cormorant for most of it, but the last boss may be hard to damage. You may be best doing the last mission with either someone to help, or bring a cruiser with medium size weapons. If you don't have the DPS, you wont finish the last mission, he regenerates fast. An attack cruiser imo is ideal with the low skill points.

Biomass and rage quit over loosing newbie loot? By the end of your first year, you could be making 100m isk an hour, even more. Quit over maybe 7m worth of newbie stuff? ...

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Yve Mountbatten
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-01-22 01:17:01 UTC
Thanks for the positive feedback. Perhaps I came across a little more defeated than I intended.

Appreciate the nature of the game and clearly there are some obvious mistakes made which won't be repeated.

I'm definitely up for going again. Just not really sure how.

For the moment, I'll dust off the Merlin and fit it out as best I can to complete as much of BSS as possible. I'm sure there are some good threads on Merlin mission builds.

A little trading and salvaging on the side to save up for the cruiser to do the final stage.

However, I'd be grateful for guidance on the following:
- If I can, should I buy a Cormorant or is there another ship that would be better?
- Do I rebuild it using the modules as provided in career agent tutorials or are there other builds (assuming I can afford them) which would be better?
- Do I have any other options (suffering from a case of Rumsfeld disease: "I don't know what I don't know")

Thanks again
Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#5 - 2014-01-22 01:18:18 UTC
Ships and gear are tools, not friends. You need to lose the attachment to them. You will suffer far, far greater losses in the future and laugh it off.

Last night some Amarr guy lost a 500M SoE frigate and a 3B ISK pod in Siseide. While amusing (and trust me, we were laughing in Militia chat), that should put your dessie and pod in perspective :)

You'll go on to far greater things. Roll with it.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-01-22 01:21:34 UTC
There are 3 stations that provide tutorial missions for each race. You can complete them at another station to replace everything you've lost. There are no time limits on the mission arc either so you can feel free to take a break and fix your situation.
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#7 - 2014-01-22 01:29:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Omega Sunset
Destroyer vs cruiser. Depends on your long-term goals, if you have any yet anyway. If you are going to focus on pvp, good to raise frig and destroyer skills early. If going towards the mission running pve stuff at least early on, it's never too early to start training your cruiser skills. edit: well never too early once the all the career agent missions are done. But once on the epic arc, sure.

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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#8 - 2014-01-22 01:31:19 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
Yve Mountbatten wrote:

- If I can, should I buy a Cormorant or is there another ship that would be better?


Better for what? There is seldom a single ship that is clearly "best" at anything in Eve. It all depends on how you're fit up, how you fly, your skills, what the specific situation is, etc.

The Cormorant is designed for killing frigate-sized craft from (relatively) long range. It is also tankier than a frigate. For the BSS epic arc, it serves you quite well because of this. Are there better options? Perhaps. There are 7 other destroyers like the Cormorant, each with their own unique quirks. I'm not going to go on a long rant about all of them, but if you'd like more info, feel free to ask. A cruiser may also do very well with the arcs, but is more expensive, takes longer to train for, and is harder to fly.

Keep in mind: bigger is not always better. A single Merlin could take down an unprepared battleship, and a small industrial ship or frigate may be better for hauling some things than a freighter is, to give a couple examples.

Yve Mountbatten wrote:
- Do I rebuild it using the modules as provided in career agent tutorials or are there other builds (assuming I can afford them) which would be better?


I haven't run the tutorials very recently, so I could be wrong, but the career agent tutorials hardly give you what you need to fit something well. You'll have to go to the market. To aid in planning your fit without having to "buy and try" stuff from the market, you could look into a standalone "fitting tool": a 3rd party program that simulates fitting a ship using your skills, giving you stats about its mobility, tank, damage, and a lot more. Some examples are Pyfa, EFT, and EVEHQ.

Of course, the question remains of what fit to use in the first place. There are websites for that, and maybe someone in this thread can help with it. I can't, since it's beyond my role in the CCL, but I can tell you this: the Cormorant rocks with 7 railguns.

Yve Mountbatten wrote:
- Do I have any other options (suffering from a case of Rumsfeld disease: "I don't know what I don't know")

Sure. Eve is a sandbox, so you can always do anything you wish. Finding those things is often a challenge for newbies, but that's why we're here. Take a look at this chart: http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

The BSS epic arc is simply an introductory PvE chain of missions, but you are not obligated to do it, same as you are not obligated to do the tutorials, or to do missions at all. So, question right back at you: what are you looking to get out of Eve? It's a mini virtual universe full of spaceships and people fighting, building, trading, leading, conquering, exploring, and much more. It's your pick what direction to go in!

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#9 - 2014-01-22 01:39:37 UTC
I don't recommend Destroyers for newer players (except to use early on in PVE content as they are better at PVE than frigates are).

Destroyers are generally pretty narrow. They are extremely good at two things in EVE:
1) Attacking unsuspecting players illegally in highsec (they are cheap for the amount of damage you can do, and you will lose your ship doing this)
2) Killing frigates (NPC or player ones).

They are really quite terrible at everything else, having neither the durability of cruisers nor the agility of frigates.


I would suggest that you set yourself a goal of flying a cruiser soon. But not until you can afford to absorb the loss of a fully fitted cruiser (which, with a budget fit, is probably around 15 million ISK).

To get back on your feet, you can get another Cormorant by running one of the other Amarr Advanced Military tutorial agents' chain.

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Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#10 - 2014-01-22 01:48:46 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:


The Cormorant is designed for killing frigate-sized craft from (relatively) long range. It is also tankier than a frigate. For the BSS epic arc, it serves you quite well because of this. Are there better options? Perhaps. There are 7 other destroyers like the Cormorant, each with their own unique quirks. I'm not going to go on a long rant about all of them, but if you'd like more info, feel free to ask. A cruiser may also do very well with the arcs, but is more expensive, takes longer to train for, and is harder to fly.

Keep in mind: bigger is not always better. A single Merlin could take down an unprepared battleship, and a small industrial ship or frigate may be better for hauling some things than a freighter is, to give a couple examples.
It's realy-reaaaly hard to defeat the last boss in BSS with a cormorant. His shield regens pretty quick.

The first time I did the epic arc some years ago, I did it with an attack cruiser, and it was challenging enough and with low SP. The second time I did the epic arc was with an alt that had far more SP than my first run through, but only using the "re-balanced" Cormorant (missing mid-slot). I just barely managed to finish the last mission by rigging for rail sniping, just barely finishing it with quite a bit of SP and almost 30 minutes. PvE? Yeah... sometimes bigger is better, at least bigger DPS.

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Yve Mountbatten
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-01-22 01:53:49 UTC
All really very helpful comments and I'm grateful that you took the time to provide feedback.

I wasn't aware of the 4 stations doing tutorials so helps enormously.

Destroyer will be a stepping stone to a Cruiser, so it's good advice to start training for a Cruiser.

The tutorials and arcs are useful gameplay to get my head into the sandbox. They also provide a broad scope of what is available (except pvp) so that might help decide what to do.

What comes across clearly is don't fly anything you can't afford to lose. For a new player, this is hard to bend your head around. However, the forum and your feedback have certainly helped.

Now all I have to do is wait 7 hours for work to finish so I can log back in and get going.
Arc'Los Xyn
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-01-22 02:21:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Arc'Los Xyn
Yve Mountbatten wrote:
All really very helpful comments and I'm grateful that you took the time to provide feedback.

I wasn't aware of the 4 stations doing tutorials so helps enormously.

Destroyer will be a stepping stone to a Cruiser, so it's good advice to start training for a Cruiser.

The tutorials and arcs are useful gameplay to get my head into the sandbox. They also provide a broad scope of what is available (except pvp) so that might help decide what to do.

What comes across clearly is don't fly anything you can't afford to lose. For a new player, this is hard to bend your head around. However, the forum and your feedback have certainly helped.

Now all I have to do is wait 7 hours for work to finish so I can log back in and get going.


you could probably get another destroyer free if you find the next group of career agent tutorials as they will give you the same rewards.. i believe you get a destroyer from the advanced military career agent tutorial. try that if you can get a new destroyer that way.

here's a link with the names and locations for all factions of new eden's tutorial career agents. i did this when i lost my destroyer .. hehe
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Tutorial_Agents

so assuming that your first tutorials were with caldari state ..

you can find the career agents for :

:* School of Applied Knowledge - Station
Akiainavas System - Tutorial Agent = Aseri Toras
Todaki System - Tutorial Agent = Vari Satilela
Hitanishio System - Tutorial Agent = Ogyamoras Jorvunen
Ichinumi System - Tutorial Agent = Nutsu Kummabainen
Aokannitoh System - Tutorial Agent = Inola Komo

or

* Science and Trade Institute - Station
Amsen System - Tutorial Agent = Insen Bara
Jouvulen System - Tutorial Agent = Ohkanen Katamara
Kappas System - Tutorial Agent = Kappas Jaki
Komo System - Tutorial Agent = Ohminen Uitra
Laah System - Tutorial Agent = Onno Ichinita

do them all.. or just the military ones to get more ships and destroyer =)

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-01-22 02:42:47 UTC
If truly down on your luck for isk and ships, contact The Angel Project via email or by joining the channel of the same name. Sindel may be able to help you get back on your feet.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#14 - 2014-01-22 03:11:40 UTC
One more thing to add. Don't haul all your stuff everywhere unless you have a very, very good reason for doing so.

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Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#15 - 2014-01-22 03:19:52 UTC
Yve Mountbatten wrote:
Destroyer will be a stepping stone to a Cruiser, so it's good advice to start training for a Cruiser.

Hmmm... if you courier some stuff for me in Caldari empire to Jita (all high sec), I'll give you a Caracal after completed, or a blackbird whichever you want. Assuming you still have your hauler from the career agent missions. Maybe a little over an hour or so of hauling, and no collateral requirement. Been cleaning out my station assets, various stuff filling my assets list being a nuisance. I cant put the ship into the courier contracts as a reward, but once you are finished I'll contract it over to you. Up to you, let me know. No time rush, few days or whatever, when you have the time.

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Kayla Brandewyn
The Sacrifice.
For Better Crops Next Year
#16 - 2014-01-22 03:24:46 UTC
Omega Sunset wrote:
It's realy-reaaaly hard to defeat the last boss in BSS with a cormorant. His shield regens pretty quick.


I very much agree with this. I have not killed the last boss yet even with all my launchers firing away for 15 mins.

To OP, if you need help (I personally need it too), drop me a mail and we can do this mission together if you don't mind. I'd very much love to finish up this mission. Haha.. Big smile

Cheers!
Yve Mountbatten
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-01-22 03:59:31 UTC
Omega Sunset wrote:
Hmmm... if you courier some stuff for me in Caldari empire to Jita (all high sec), I'll give you a Caracal after completed, or a blackbird whichever you want.


Thanks loads Omega for your kind offer. I'll be in touch ingame when I've got my industrial together.


Kayla Brandewyn wrote:
To OP, if you need help (I personally need it too), drop me a mail and we can do this mission together if you don't mind. I'd very much love to finish up this mission.


Kayla, this would be great. Once I've got an suitable ship functioning, I'll race through the remainder of BSS and contact you in game so we can work together on the last boss.

I usually log in daily around 8pm Australia East Standard Time. Hopefully, that time in game works for you both.
Keno Skir
#18 - 2014-01-22 04:06:33 UTC
Hehe welcome to EvE :D

Add me as a contact and if i'm online i'm usually happy to answer questions or come (dispatch someone else) to help you with your missions etc.

Good attitude so far, learning to fly cheap and not care about ship losses go hand in hand and are some of the most important lessons. Bet you loved that tutorial mission where your ship gets blown up by the station :P Some people do that in their new expensive trophy ships ;)

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Yve Mountbatten
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-01-22 04:17:34 UTC
The most annoying part of losing the Cormorant is that I lost it because I fell asleep.

When I woke up to find it was gone, I was frustrated with myself so much I couldn't get back to sleep. But I was too tired to log back in and get back on the horse.

But it has provided me with my first reason to post on the forum. Part of understanding Eve is becoming familiar with the parlance of the game and other pilots....that's a steep learning curve in itself that has no tutorial.
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#20 - 2014-01-22 04:32:00 UTC
Yve Mountbatten wrote:
Thanks loads Omega for your kind offer. I'll be in touch ingame when I've got my industrial together.
k a few courier contracts waiting for your attention. A week on the timers. When you finish, send me a game e-mail and let me know which cruiser you want as previously mentioned.

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