EVE General Discussion

Was 6VDT the biggest battle of all time or has HeD eclipsed it?
The startling silence from CCP about what should have had them beaming from ear-to-ear as they gloated after 6VDT is disturbing.
At the apex of the 6VDT battle Erlender tweeted The fleet fight in 6VDT-H tonight is the largest ever in EVE, topping at 4070 pilots so far.
A proud moment indeed.
We were then presented with spreadsheets and other goodies indicating how Tidi worked as planned.

The simple fact is CCP has nothing to gloat about this time. While the node did not crash, even if as claimed in many places there was an attempt to make it crash nothing should have taken away from the fact that this was the biggest clash in Eve history? 4500 ships if I get it right?

Where are the bells and whistles, the backslapping CCP employees regaling us with how it all held together.

And before we go with the whole 3000 ships in system and you derp 1000 domis and then try and warp in 600 dreads. You deliberately tried to crash the node.
No argument from me here, there are plenty of people arguing this or that, I just have a simple question.
If all worked as it should where is the hoopla.
Read this and tell me why N3/PL's moment of triumph means jack s hit to CCP


http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/battle-for-6vdt-h/

Something stinks, and me losing a small little space pixel is not it.

I still remember the tears after 6VDT how broken the game is... ;)
Give it some time and HED will be used the same way.

It does nothing for the business, and does nothing for the playerbase.

In short, the game engine bending to breaking point is something that is going to naturally happen, if you have no player-in-system limit.

HED peaked at like 3600 or something, and several hundred of those were not actually in the system, they were in tunnel, blackscreened or disconnected. Shockingly disappointing node performance considering it was the mega node and was supposed to allow the biggest capital fight ever to take place.

The fight was not as big as the explosion of threads on the subject on these very forums.

In fact, if you do a search of HED-GP in the search forums box in the top right (just above New Topic for you forum newbies) it crashes the browser with the following error:

An error occurred while searching.

Do you want to guess why?

Because people keep creating new topic after new topic after new topic about the same damn thing. Had you just did a search of these forums and even on Google, I reckon you could have gotten a quantified answer to your simple question. But don't let me stop you! Go ahead and create yet another thread to get an answer to a simple yes or no question. Clearly, it's all the rage now.

They're not when you consider sharded games can only get several hundred people in per server before splitting instances. For fights you start to have severe latency issues at 50+. Tbh even a relatively modest Eve fight at 250 v250 is an outstanding acheivement, it's just one we now take for granted.

TiDi is a massive improvement over fights like Uemon where people couldn't even login and multiple titans died without loading grid, at points with less than 1500 in system.

The problem is that players outstrip the mechanisms, expectations and technology CCP has, and that's not altogether their fault in a sandbox where people can determine the consequences of their own actions.

Why should they re-emburse? The node stayed up, and it was Goons' attempt to crash the node/welping their dreds into the bubbles at close range that cost them so badly.

Seems to me that the Goons earned their losses.

EVE works in 100ms ticks.
There arent any other games that allow as many people to shoot at/fight eachother, at once, like EVE does. Even today, EVE has, by ******* miles, the most people participating in any one fight together.
The only other game I remember off the top of my head that tried to market itself with "huge battles" was age of conan, those devs claimed 100 v 100 was possible. It wasnt though, and even if it was, it wouldnt be anything next to a big battle in EVE.
It might be going in slowmotion, and people all saying CCP are bad for not having fixed it.. Well, as CCP improve, people throw ever more ships into one fight.
So really, its not so much CCPs fault, as it is the players, dont want tidi? Dont go and superpop a system with a bazillion people, gotta wonder how ******** people must be to not get this, its not like its news that throwing so many people into one system will break the node, so why do it?

And if they'd bothered to back their other ships off-grid before welping their dreds, we might have seen it. Of course, dumping drones all over the place wasn't a particularly wise call either.

The results were perfectly predictable.

Since when? Eve's tickrate is 1Hz, so 1 second or 1000ms.
And when you consider how little is actually going on behind the scenes, EVE is really not that spectacular. They get away with say "oh look at our huge battles, noone else does this", but it's barely real time. When you get into tidi, which really doesn't take much, it's even worse. And the problem is, when they "improve", they are mere putting a workaround in place, a hack rather than a fix. They need to rewrite core code, and they won't so EVE will not keep up with what it's reputation states it can.

And why do it? Because we are fighting over a system. If the enemy knows that we won't put people in if there are already 2000 people in system, then they will simply fill the system up with 2000 people every time, and always win.