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Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2011-11-09 01:01:28 UTC
What EVE needs is a Goonswarm/TEST like alliance that puts rifters in newbie hands and teaches them how to live in Nullsec, but one that would actually recruit newbies off of the recruitment channel.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#62 - 2011-11-09 01:07:41 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
What EVE needs is a Goonswarm/TEST like alliance that puts rifters in newbie hands and teaches them how to live in Nullsec, but one that would actually recruit newbies off of the recruitment channel.


you mean like Agony Unleashed or Eve-Uni?
Kent Reeves
#63 - 2011-11-09 01:08:06 UTC
If I wanted to play WOW I would play WOW.

I want to play EVE so I play EVE.
Psychophantic
#64 - 2011-11-09 01:13:12 UTC
Gazmin VanBurin wrote:

WOW is full of 10 year old kids that cry, want their mommy, want to have their skills handed to them on a silver platter, and never lose them, its easy and fun for their little minds, bright colors and cartoonish atmosphere.

EvE is an entirely different banana


ORLY
Cailais
The Red Pill Taker Group
#65 - 2011-11-09 01:17:14 UTC
The tale that EVE is 'dangerous' is one of the biggest myths going. It's not.

Provided you use the right ship, for the right environment you'll be pretty safe overall. Those that leave themselves open to attack (and they're actually quite a small number) do get hit and hit hard but I think the vast majority of players recognise what is high risk (for them) and act accordingly.

With that small sliver of residual risk EVE becomes a unique gaming experience, not for everyone, not necessarily for those who just want a casual 'no dramas' easy ride but for those who appreciate something more...refined...it has no equal.

C.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2011-11-09 01:27:58 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
What EVE needs is a Goonswarm/TEST like alliance that puts rifters in newbie hands and teaches them how to live in Nullsec, but one that would actually recruit newbies off of the recruitment channel.


you mean like Agony Unleashed or Eve-Uni?

While those organizations serve a purpose there is still nothing as fun as seeing a one-day-old newbie in a rifter tackle his first battleship while trolling evil dudes in local.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2011-11-09 01:35:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Krios Ahzek
KrakizBad wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
What EVE needs is a Goonswarm/TEST like alliance that puts rifters in newbie hands and teaches them how to live in Nullsec, but one that would actually recruit newbies off of the recruitment channel.


you mean like Agony Unleashed or Eve-Uni?


I read the Eve-Uni wiki. The ENTIRE THING. It's a good information resource.

BUT.
I'll be damned if I have to follow fascist laws about what I'm allowed to do or not because some troll has wardecced the corp.
Besides, who wants to join Eve Hogwarts if it's possible to start being a Death Eater right away?

I have no idea who Agony Unleashed is, but I haven't seen a single recruitment ad anywhere. Just read their wiki: ''Well, our ideal candidate would have at least 10 million SP in frigates''. See, that's where it fails. You need to grab the noobs before they spend 5 months alone in highsec and get bored.

If this
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=31172
Is serious (I wouldn't put my money on it) it's actually a great step towards that theoretical alliance.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Race Drones
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2011-11-09 01:41:15 UTC
K Suri wrote:

Wow has more than 11 million subscribers, roughly 20 times more than Eve.

Tetris has more, a lot more players... and money.

Ignorance is curable, Stupidity is not.

The "Planet of the Apes" is not science fiction, is a daily reality.

All is in "The Matrix".

See Beyond the Obvious.
Jerek Mothas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2011-11-09 01:49:29 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
I believe CCP should develop Eve to appeal more to instant gratification, casual player audiences while retaining the raw brutal environments that it has. Not everyone wants to dabble with death on a daily basis. Nor do many people have the time that some aspects of Eve require.

In no way could this possibly detract from null or w-space or losec. If done right, it wouldn't even diminish current lulz mechanics people use in hisec for the lulz. Instant action arenas where one pays isk, plex, aur, cash, whatever to battle it out in any ship they want with no penalty, no gain other than experience. The biggest obstacle preventing people from going to dangerous areas of space, imo, is the fear/grind factor: They're scared to lose their hard earn ships/equipment because they had to grind their ass off to get it. Instant action arenas would be a training ground of sorts that allow people to learn what their hardware can/can't do. It would actually breed confidence enriching the pvp experience throughout eve.

I don't believe making hisec safer isn't a bad thing either. There should always be a means to grief/gank people but, certainly shouldn't be as easy as it is. Maybe make the penalties for such behavior more severe while relaxing concords abilities so that the offender might more often be "chased" off rather than blown up. Who knows....could be fun being "chased" by concord from system to system until you're out of the system/region/constellation. *shrugs*.


+1

My views EXACTLY, sir. I salute you.

Failfitting ships since 2007.

"Those who control their tongue will have a long life; opening your mouth can ruin everything." - Solomon
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#70 - 2011-11-09 01:52:02 UTC
K Suri wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
K Suri wrote:


Does Eve need to evolve, in some areas, to be more effective for CCP economically? Is this the plan?

Food for thought.


Speaking of food, McDonalds has over 25,000 restaurants in the world and feeds at least 46 million people per day. They are a publicly traded corporation that took in 26.4 billion dollars last quarter.

On the other hand my favorite Italian restaurant probably feeds 100 people a day and makes far less money than McDonalds. They only have 1 location. But the food is always fresh, the octopus is divine, as is the wild berry salad, the rosemary foccacia, and the saffron scallop fettucini. And you know what? I like going there much more than I like McDonalds. They don't make billions per quarter, but the owner has a 500 series Mercedes.

I'm sorry what was your point again?

If the owner of said Italian restaurant were to also throw in a bottle of '93 Chablis with your meal, it might also attract lovers of '93 Chablis to the restaurant and the owner can drive an Aston Martin instead.


But your proposal isn't a '93 chablis, it's diet 7up cut with Everclear.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
K Suri
Doomheim
#71 - 2011-11-09 01:55:38 UTC
Gazmin VanBurin wrote:
Im just feeding the troll that the OP is, but ill form a reply anyway.

Wow is full of 10 year old kids that cry, want their mommy, want to have their skills handed to them on a silver platter, and never lose them, its easy and fun for their little minds, bright colors and cartoonish atmosphere.

EvE is an entirely different banana, if it was just like wow, and if it marketed, just like wow, and was full of even more whiny players like WoW, well then why would any one buy eve instead of wow?

Its to late to be like wow, you have to be something their not, cater to a deferent age group, maybe even a different community.

You keep saying eve needs to evolve; yet your suggesting it be dumbed down even further. Now if you where to evolve into dolphin, you might just become a sexier, maybe even smarter individual, but that doesn’t mean you could ever truly be as awesome as one.

OP is not troll.

And Eve is full of 30 year old kids that cry, want their mommy, want to have their skills handed to them on a silver platter, and never lose them, its easy and fun for their little minds, bright colors and cartoonish atmosphere.

^^^^ They're called gankers.

Is an example of a different banana a red banana?

Nor did I say Eve needs to "become" Wow so it's not too late for anything. I might however be suggesting that certain "wowlike" characteristics seem to be creeping in.

I didn't say Eve needs to evolve either. I asked "Does it need to evolve?"

In fact, my OP is asking whether "a wowlike evolution" is actually happening and whilst I sort of have an opinion on what I'd like, I'm not actually suggesting it should be anything.

But I am asking if it is evolving. Is the Salami Slice approach already in effect with things like the removal of ganking insurance for example?
Gazmin VanBurin
Boma Bull Corp
#72 - 2011-11-09 02:00:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Gazmin VanBurin
Psychophantic wrote:
Gazmin VanBurin wrote:

WOW is full of 10 year old kids that cry, want their mommy, want to have their skills handed to them on a silver platter, and never lose them, its easy and fun for their little minds, bright colors and cartoonish atmosphere.

EvE is an entirely different banana


RLY


I see you quoted a portion of my post, im glad you liked it, unfortunatly I was only able to quote a portion of yours aswell
K Suri
Doomheim
#73 - 2011-11-09 02:00:55 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
K Suri wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
K Suri wrote:


Does Eve need to evolve, in some areas, to be more effective for CCP economically? Is this the plan?

Food for thought.


Speaking of food, McDonalds has over 25,000 restaurants in the world and feeds at least 46 million people per day. They are a publicly traded corporation that took in 26.4 billion dollars last quarter.

On the other hand my favorite Italian restaurant probably feeds 100 people a day and makes far less money than McDonalds. They only have 1 location. But the food is always fresh, the octopus is divine, as is the wild berry salad, the rosemary foccacia, and the saffron scallop fettucini. And you know what? I like going there much more than I like McDonalds. They don't make billions per quarter, but the owner has a 500 series Mercedes.

I'm sorry what was your point again?

If the owner of said Italian restaurant were to also throw in a bottle of '93 Chablis with your meal, it might also attract lovers of '93 Chablis to the restaurant and the owner can drive an Aston Martin instead.


But your proposal isn't a '93 chablis, it's diet 7up cut with Everclear.

The wine wasn't a player analogy, it was to point out that Italian food eaters go to the restuarant for the food but if you add Chablis, you may ALSO get drinkers of Chablis who may not neccessarily be there for the food but will eat it anyway while drinking their Chablis.

You get BOTH sets of customers.

Only thing we do know is that McDonalds won't ordinarily get Chablis drinkers. Big smile
Gazmin VanBurin
Boma Bull Corp
#74 - 2011-11-09 02:06:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Gazmin VanBurin
K Suri wrote:
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OP is not troll.

And Eve is full of 30 year old kids that cry, want their mommy, want to have their skills handed to them on a silver platter, and never lose them, its easy and fun for their little minds, bright colors and cartoonish atmosphere.

^^^^ They're called gankers.

Is an example of a different banana a red banana?

Nor did I say Eve needs to "become" Wow so it's not too late for anything. I might however be suggesting that certain "wowlike" characteristics seem to be creeping in.

I didn't say Eve needs to evolve either. I asked "Does it need to evolve?"

In fact, my OP is asking whether "a wowlike evolution" is actually happening and whilst I sort of have an opinion on what I'd like, I'm not actually suggesting it should be anything.

But I am asking if it is evolving. Is the Salami Slice approach already in effect with things like the removal of ganking insurance for example?


You bring up good points, Im actualy just trolling a bit myself. The game is ever evolving, I am a high sec ganker and think that the new incurance polocy is a good one, tho I think it should be expanded to Self Desructing to, becauces hay If I blow up my own car what good incurance would buy me a new one.

Oh and yes there are diferant types of bananas, dont let Walmart tell you diferant.
Leetha Layne
#75 - 2011-11-09 02:07:27 UTC
More people listen to Justin Beiber than Stravinsky. Does that mean Beiber is better?
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2011-11-09 02:10:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Krios Ahzek
Look at this frakking chart

There is only ONE.

One MMO where subs grow at a nearly constant linear rate. One MMO that is not either kiddy stuff (Dofus, Runescape) or a WOW clone.

That MMO is EVE.

Now look at the WOW clones/killlers like Age of Conan and Warhammer Online.

Now back at EVE.

There is only one MMO that fails to give a crap about WOW. EVE is the one.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2011-11-09 02:12:50 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
There is only one MMO that fails to give a crap about WOW. EVE is the one.

That used to be true but now that CCP is feeling some financial pressure I think they would *love* little piece of the WoW pie.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
K Suri
Doomheim
#78 - 2011-11-09 02:16:58 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Look at this frakking chart

There is only ONE.

One MMO where subs grow at a nearly constant linear rate. One MMO that is not either kiddy stuff (Dofus, Runescape) or a WOW clone.

That MMO is EVE.

Now look at the WOW clones/killlers like Age of Conan and Warhammer Online.

Now back at EVE.

There is only one MMO that fails to give a crap about WOW. EVE is the one.

Not a lot to be read in that. There are games that are almost vertical in ascension and still growing.

I also note that Wow isn't on the chart either so where your comparison comes from eludes me.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2011-11-09 02:17:22 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
There is only one MMO that fails to give a crap about WOW. EVE is the one.

That used to be true but now that CCP is feeling some financial pressure I think they would *love* little piece of the WoW pie.



You can't have pieces of the WOW pie. There's no reason to play a PVE MMO that's now WOW.
WOW has the most content, the most polished gameplay, arguably the best balance, as well as the most players with which to network and have fun.

Only Diablo 3 has a chance a denting the subs and it's still Blizzard. They're releasing a troll panda expansion on purpose.

Until Blizzard starts making a Space PVP game and a MMOFPS, CCP has got it covered and should try to remember WHY they're not taking a huge plunge like every other PVE fantasy mmo on that chart.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#80 - 2011-11-09 02:19:30 UTC
K Suri wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Look at this frakking chart

There is only ONE.

One MMO where subs grow at a nearly constant linear rate. One MMO that is not either kiddy stuff (Dofus, Runescape) or a WOW clone.

That MMO is EVE.

Now look at the WOW clones/killlers like Age of Conan and Warhammer Online.

Now back at EVE.

There is only one MMO that fails to give a crap about WOW. EVE is the one.

Not a lot to be read in that. There are games that are almost vertical in ascension and still growing.

I also note that Wow isn't on the chart either so where your comparison comes from eludes me.



Find a game that's vertical in ascension that is not either:

-Kiddy stuff (Dofus, maplestory, etc)
-Not a game (Second Life)
-Asia-focused (Lineage, Aion)

You can't because that would be lying. And that's horrible.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us