EVE General Discussion

I used to think like this too.

I am actually wondering if a deccable NPC corp would be cool.

I know that it's a griefbear wet dream but once, in noob camp, a couple of corpies got ganked and we put a BC and 2 cruisers together and gave the campers considerable hell.

A good time was had by all.

But like any good idea, people will wreck it. Democracy for example.

Eh, do what you like. We offer classes as a service for people who want them. Considering we've filled every class we've run for the past 6 years it would seem that some people do see the value (it's actually 20 mil for a basic class). It's hard for a brand new player to get good advice/instruction from experienced PvPers, much less to go out on a roam with them, much less while being able to stay in their current corp.

The reason a lot of corps (ours included) have things like SP requirements is that it takes time and effort to bring up new members. We only accept so many people at a time, and try to keep a good balance of old-timers to newer people (talking about new to the corp, not new to the game). Each time we accept a new trial we're dedicating a certain amount of time to bringing them into the fold, and we want to have a certain amount of faith that they'll still be around in 3, 6, 12 months. The simple fact of the matter is that a lot of new players come and go, and your chances of someone sticking around who has 10m SP are much higher than that guy with 1m SP who just joined the game. If you're a large corp you can probably absorb this cost without too much trouble, but if you're a small or tightly-knit corp this sort of heavy turnover is killer. New players take the most effort to bring on, and are the most likely to leave. You can either dedicate more time and effort to training up brand new recruits, or you can be selective in who you take. For most mature corps the later is much easier and more consistent.

Don't be too hard on him. We don't want him to get discouraged and stop providing us with so much entertainment.

I must say after reading 14 pages of this discussion that you are right on multiple levels when it comes to the intellect, however just because a player lacks intellegence doesnt prevent them from functioning at a basic level. Perhaps the main argument about the comparison with WOW is that with the nerfs people are complaining that CCP is trying to steer their PvE in the same way while you can choose to go into null sec and PVP with your corp; you are also able to play it safe. I think EVE is and always will be for those who are more mature and adulterated. I mean sure I am still clueless with PVP and trying to teach an old dog new tricks isnt the easiest but I am attempting to learn. I think in retrospect that the universe of New Eden is a melting pot and with this we are going to get our share of yahoos, but in the end after a few months of skilling up we see some of it weeded out, i think that some players are just stubborn to admit that EVE is just too complex for them. Sure I got a 5 subject note book to write in and help keep notes on websites and advice that goes along with the information and make my deicisions based on that but its not just the use of intellect alone that creates an EVE player.... I think EVE players are more driven then WOW players by a long shot and with this determination we do try to enforce a code that should be followed.

As one other player stated the "SP requirements" are to help sort out who is more dedicated and can only accept limited individuals based on this. My corp when I joined asked for my API, and honestly I like the system of security... now for ***** and giggles i activated a 7 day trial and revived/cancelled right after my 70 Goblin... They got a "guild finding" system that runs along EVE's dynamics and well according to an article (linked here)

http://www.pcworld.com/article/243465/world_of_warcraft_loses_2_million_subscribers_in_a_year.html

The game is reaching its peak and honestly there are many threads within the community's forums that beg the question of whether the game is dying, and well remember I am not a WOW player sure i was a little after BC but I am not one of those 10 year olds ( I am 27) and well the game of WOW was attractive back in 2004, but i went right from there to EVE in 2006 and well not to get personal i had situations where i had to quit for a period of time and returned now and plan on staying permamently... I just thought we should clear some misconceptions with the subject. I mean from an objective standpoint I think EVE will grow steadily as the WOWmania has settled they are using the new expansion as a way of establishing some level of players but I am even going as far to say that will fail along with D3 which is introducing the "cash shop" right off the bat on release and well I only determine the downfall when games start adding "cash shops" ... Sega however used this to their advantage with Spiral Knights which has reached over 1 million accounts... However this deviates from the original message, It comes down to what we as the players believe and have our faith in ... If we have enough people stating loudly that EVE will fail.. Its only a matter of time before it does and I REFUSE to see this happen.

Sure I got alot to learn again about EVE but I am not giving up.... Do i see some similarites about WOW... yes but WOW is copying EVE in alot of ways and it digusts me to know that they have to sink this low for players. As stated before its what "we" believe as the playerbase in New Eden that truly matters. So this question should go to say ... Do you believe in New Eden? Would you Die for her? Would you ... Would you... You finish that statement ... EVE provides endless possibilties and well these are just my thoughts on the matter.

Who says that WoW is a bad game? It isn't. It just is a fundamentally different type of game than EvE is. By definition, EvE will never be able to reach WoWs numbers. And why should it? It doesn't have to, because EvEs subscriber base is as loyal to the game, or maybe even more loyal and involved to the game than the WoW one.

When I say fundamentally, I mean Themepark and Sandbox or instant gratification and instant death.

I think CCP could change EvE to attract more players by making it "safer"
I don't think they should. And I will explain why:

When you look at the subscription rates in the past years you will notice that they were constantly climbing in small but healthy steps. Only recently the took a step back, and that was because CCP alienated its core subscriber base.

They are now back on the right track (except for the SCap nerf) and if they keep this up, they will notice an upward subscription trend.

What you are proposing is that EvE should be, some would say drastically, changed in its core mechanics to attract more new players, so CCP has a bigger buffer in case something goes horribly wrong (like the last expansion) and people start leaving.

That in itself tho, would lead people leave in droves. You can't just go and change a games core so drastically. You can take a look at SWG:NGE for reference. It totally alienated its playerbase and somehow strugled along all these years without dieing. But it never again lived up to its glory days.

Look, EvE has allready become much easier over the last years. Its a slow and stealthy process. I personally do not like it, but I accepted it because it obviously helped the game attract more people without watering it down too much from what it once was. Thi happens allready, and it will continue to happen probably (sadly) but again, it is a SLOW process.

I just hope they never cross the line and betray the very idea behind what EvE is and what made us all come here and play it.

That is the fear that old players have when newer players try to change the game. They have seen and witnessed all the little changes over the years. If those changes had been made all at once in one expansion i can guarantee you there would have been a mass exodus.

The newer player only sees the CURRENT state of the game, and naturally might feel that it could be easier in some ways, because it is still relatively tough. He doesn't see, that he allready has it much easier than the vets when they started playing with 50k SP and advanced learning skills for 4.5 mill isk.

Thats just one example. I hope you can understand my point of view on this subject. I think that many are thinking similarily on this matter.

Thank you for your time.