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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#221 - 2011-11-09 21:52:20 UTC
K Suri wrote:
"You're dumb, you're an idiot" has obviously worked wonders for you. How about go train Intelligence and Diplomacy to 5 and come back and tell me what I'm doing that's so bad. Until then stfu.

This is a bit disingenuous considering you were calling everybody who disagreed with you a moron yesterday.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#222 - 2011-11-09 21:54:09 UTC
K Suri wrote:

And you've got proven techniques on how to get things done? Linky?

"You're dumb, you're an idiot" has obviously worked wonders for you. How about go train Intelligence and Diplomacy to 5 and come back and tell me what I'm doing that's so bad. Until then stfu.


You exist and you sperg worthless trash, and when people point out how incredibly stupid you are your answer is LOL I TROLL U.

Get out.

Also for linky, click the Dev Blogs button. Thanks.
Lorren Canada
High is the Way - But all eyes are Upon the Ground
#223 - 2011-11-09 21:54:35 UTC
Look at all the retarded pubbies who want EVE to be easier and safer. Harden the fuck up or get the fuck out.
K Suri
Doomheim
#224 - 2011-11-09 21:57:53 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
This is a bit disingenuous considering you were calling everybody who disagreed with you a moron yesterday.


Quote:
disagreed

Quote:
moron

Quote:
everyone


Do you mean that ONE moron that doesn't actually have an opinion to disagree with? Bravo you for for supporting it.

Oh wait. FA. Goon. Goon. FA. Duh.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#225 - 2011-11-09 22:00:17 UTC
K Suri wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
This is a bit disingenuous considering you were calling everybody who disagreed with you a moron yesterday.


Quote:
disagreed

Quote:
moron

Quote:
everyone


Do you mean that ONE moron that doesn't actually have an opinion to disagree with? Bravo you for for supporting it.

Oh wait. FA. Goon. Goon. FA. Duh.


My opinion is that you should get out, which I think was quite clear. Also your general understanding of Null politics appears to be as strong as your grasp on game mechanics, grats.
K Suri
Doomheim
#226 - 2011-11-09 22:00:47 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
K Suri wrote:

And you've got proven techniques on how to get things done? Linky?

"You're dumb, you're an idiot" has obviously worked wonders for you. How about go train Intelligence and Diplomacy to 5 and come back and tell me what I'm doing that's so bad. Until then stfu.


You exist and you sperg worthless trash, and when people point out how incredibly stupid you are your answer is LOL I TROLL U.

Get out.

Also for linky, click the Dev Blogs button. Thanks.

52 likes and you been here how long? I been here 2 days.

Reckon you got some growing up to do. Getting baited like you are is good experience for when you do.
Jita Alt666
#227 - 2011-11-09 22:01:41 UTC
K Suri wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
This is a bit disingenuous considering you were calling everybody who disagreed with you a moron yesterday.


Quote:
disagreed

Quote:
moron

Quote:
everyone


Do you mean that ONE moron that doesn't actually have an opinion to disagree with? Bravo you for for supporting it.

Oh wait. FA. Goon. Goon. FA. Duh.


Another 4 day old character with lots to say.
K Suri
Doomheim
#228 - 2011-11-09 22:03:01 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
K Suri wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
This is a bit disingenuous considering you were calling everybody who disagreed with you a moron yesterday.

Oh wait. FA. Goon. Goon. FA. Duh.


My opinion is that you should get out, which I think was quite clear. Also your general understanding of Null politics appears to be as strong as your grasp on game mechanics, grats.

Null politics? This is a topic about suicide ganking in highsec. Roll

Btw. How goes the fun against testies? You're so fn bored with nullsec you started shooting blues. Shocked
K Suri
Doomheim
#229 - 2011-11-09 22:05:18 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
K Suri wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
This is a bit disingenuous considering you were calling everybody who disagreed with you a moron yesterday.


Do you mean that ONE moron that doesn't actually have an opinion to disagree with? Bravo you for for supporting it.

Oh wait. FA. Goon. Goon. FA. Duh.


Another 4 day old character with lots to say.

And you are? Oh. An alt? Way to go Einstein.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#230 - 2011-11-09 22:06:30 UTC
K Suri wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
K Suri wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
This is a bit disingenuous considering you were calling everybody who disagreed with you a moron yesterday.

Oh wait. FA. Goon. Goon. FA. Duh.


My opinion is that you should get out, which I think was quite clear. Also your general understanding of Null politics appears to be as strong as your grasp on game mechanics, grats.

Null politics? This is a topic about suicide ganking in highsec. Roll

Btw. How goes the fun against testies? You're so fn bored with nullsec you started shooting blues. Shocked


And your ignorance shines through yet again. Test is BFF with FA, not that I'd expect a miner to know this. Also, shooting blues is fun and gives us something to do in between suicide ganks.

Amazingly, we enjoy losing ships in this PVP Internet Spaceship Game. Whoever would have guessed. Roll
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#231 - 2011-11-09 22:06:40 UTC
K Suri wrote:
Do you mean that ONE moron that doesn't actually have an opinion to disagree with? Bravo you for for supporting it..

Since you aspire to be a forum troll let me give you some advice. When all of your threads devolve into you calling other people names you're doing it wrong.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Lens Thirring
#232 - 2011-11-09 22:17:05 UTC
K Suri wrote:

And you've got proven techniques on how to get things done? Linky?

It's not clear that anything actually needs to be done, at least not along the lines you are proposing.

Hi-sec is extremely safe. New players are aware that there are risks, and they can quickly recover any losses. They are not all psychologically underdeveloped infants so we don't need to be condescending towards them.

Eve involves a number of complex undocumented game systems, which are interrelated in subtle ways, and controlled through inconsistent and baroque interfaces. The learning curve is famously steep and new players get lost because the sandbox doesn't provide a clear direction. These are the sources of the intimidation that might drive new players away. I doubt that gankers and war-decs have much to do with it.
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#233 - 2011-11-09 22:27:59 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
JitaJane wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
K Suri wrote:
Or should it be "Wow. This is Eve"?

A common retort used by the highly intellectual types on Eve-O is "go play Wow" or "Wow is that way". This is usually in response to the cry to make some things safer in Eve.

Now I have mixed views as to the validity of "safeness" and I fully understand the ethos that is Eve. But you know, if I were a commercial entity trying to raise the subscriber base, I'd be seriously looking at games that make the serious coin.

Wow has more than 11 million subscribers, roughly 20 times more than Eve. I've never played the game but if I take the comments of "go play Wow" to mean a game that is "safe" or has "safe areas" then how come it's so big? One of the most successful MMO's ever to hit the big screen. I'm fully aware that it's not single shard and segmented economics would be a consequence, but this does not seem to hurt the game overall.

Would CCP be doing good for business by making areas - such as high-sec - a safer place to nurture and establish new players and corporations?

Of course, there are many arguments both for and against and as an avid reader of the many posts on the topics, I can only see the protection of an idealogy as the common response for the vast majority of "change nothing" posters.

Is this the right approach? Is this being childishly selfish?

Does Eve need to evolve, in some areas, to be more effective for CCP economically? Is this the plan?

Food for thought.


So your business plan for EVE is for CCP to throw their existing playerbase under a bus and try to compete head-to-head with Blizzard in their own back yard?

Man, I don't see anything that could go wrong with this plan!


QEN says 80% of players are in high. So which player base gets thrown under the bus???


My personal experience is that every 0.0 player has a bare minimum of 2 characters in hi-sec.

So - that player base.

QEN did not have data on that so we'll have to take your personal experience. So then in your experience what makes HiSec so SuperAwesomeCool that you have twice as many characters there as in null? And hey diven that it is twice as cool why do you play in null at all???Roll

90% of of the time my posts are about something I actually find interesting and want to learn more about. Do not be alarmed.

K Suri
Doomheim
#234 - 2011-11-09 22:30:59 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
K Suri wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
K Suri wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
This is a bit disingenuous considering you were calling everybody who disagreed with you a moron yesterday.

Oh wait. FA. Goon. Goon. FA. Duh.


My opinion is that you should get out, which I think was quite clear. Also your general understanding of Null politics appears to be as strong as your grasp on game mechanics, grats.

Null politics? This is a topic about suicide ganking in highsec. Roll

Btw. How goes the fun against testies? You're so fn bored with nullsec you started shooting blues. Shocked


And your ignorance shines through yet again. Test is BFF with FA, not that I'd expect a miner to know this. Also, shooting blues is fun and gives us something to do in between suicide ganks.

Amazingly, we enjoy losing ships in this PVP Internet Spaceship Game. Whoever would have guessed. Roll

Miner? My ignorance?

Perhaps I oughta jump to my clone in 6VDT and say hi. Twisted
Christina Bamar
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#235 - 2011-11-09 22:32:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Christina Bamar
Krios Ahzek wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
What EVE needs is a Goonswarm/TEST like alliance that puts rifters in newbie hands and teaches them how to live in Nullsec, but one that would actually recruit newbies off of the recruitment channel.


you mean like Agony Unleashed or Eve-Uni?


I read the Eve-Uni wiki. The ENTIRE THING. It's a good information resource.

BUT.
I'll be damned if I have to follow fascist laws about what I'm allowed to do or not because some troll has wardecced the corp.
Besides, who wants to join Eve Hogwarts if it's possible to start being a Death Eater right away?

I have no idea who Agony Unleashed is, but I haven't seen a single recruitment ad anywhere. Just read their wiki: ''Well, our ideal candidate would have at least 10 million SP in frigates''. See, that's where it fails. You need to grab the noobs before they spend 5 months alone in highsec and get bored.

If this
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=31172
Is serious (I wouldn't put my money on it) it's actually a great step towards that theoretical alliance.


Just FYI, those are the requirement for actually joining Agony the corporation. We also run PvP classes for the larger EVE community, which don't have those same restrictions, and don't involve joining Agony. Agony isn't a training corporation, it's a 0.0 PvP corporation that offers training courses.

http://www.agony-unleashed.com/wiki/index.php/Agony_PVP_University

is the wiki page for our public classes.
K Suri
Doomheim
#236 - 2011-11-09 22:33:29 UTC  |  Edited by: K Suri
Ladie Harlot wrote:
K Suri wrote:
Do you mean that ONE moron that doesn't actually have an opinion to disagree with? Bravo you for for supporting it..

Since you aspire to be a forum troll let me give you some advice. When all of your threads devolve into you calling other people names you're doing it wrong.

And since you are a forum troll, I'll take that advice on board.

btw. Your FA boyfriend started the name calling. Have you chatted him for name calling yet? Well? Have you?
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#237 - 2011-11-09 22:37:28 UTC
Gealla wrote:
Aidan Brooder wrote:
Played WOW and amongst the many MMOs I have played, it must have been the most boring.
You virtually complete 10 Missions or more per hour, the graphics suck, player interaction is at zero.

Also, "casual PVP" in EVE? Arenas? No, thanks. We have a whole hangar full of training ships for PVP training, what would we need arenas for?

You'd just take away from the nice people that actually organize Fight Clubs in EVE as a player event. (And earn their share by doing so...)


I hazard that you never made end game content in Wow? Organising raids, leading them, organising guilds to be able to raid and the player interaction involved in that (not to mention politics) is just as intensive as in Eve, although at a smaller scale (10's to 100's not 1000's)

There's not that much difference, the same type of player who will run an alliance or FC a fleet in Eve, will most likely run a successful guild or RL succesful raids in WoW.

It's the players who aren't interested in these areas that differ the most, in WoW they do areana's and PVP and trash talk in trade. In Eve they suicide gank and trash talk in local....... oh wait not that different


Actually I made it to end content, which was no big deal, because I only played it at all because of a few friends that invited me. (The current record to reach level 80 is 13 hours I think. If Athene still holds it... It took me much longer, but, well...)

In addition I have led "successful guilds" in LOTRO, AION, DAOC...

No, it is just WOW in particular that I totally dislike. There is just no true challenge on the way to "end content".

Blog: http://aidanbrooder.wordpress.com My EVE Playlist on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSNuHY7z8n1q1BdLvW2verIfH8vvWtz_x
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#238 - 2011-11-09 22:49:40 UTC
K Suri wrote:
btw. Your FA boyfriend started the name calling. Have you chatted him for name calling yet? Well? Have you?

If I were to witness him doing it in every thread he posted in I would call him out on it.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#239 - 2011-11-09 22:50:51 UTC
Christina Bamar wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
What EVE needs is a Goonswarm/TEST like alliance that puts rifters in newbie hands and teaches them how to live in Nullsec, but one that would actually recruit newbies off of the recruitment channel.


you mean like Agony Unleashed or Eve-Uni?


I read the Eve-Uni wiki. The ENTIRE THING. It's a good information resource.

BUT.
I'll be damned if I have to follow fascist laws about what I'm allowed to do or not because some troll has wardecced the corp.
Besides, who wants to join Eve Hogwarts if it's possible to start being a Death Eater right away?

I have no idea who Agony Unleashed is, but I haven't seen a single recruitment ad anywhere. Just read their wiki: ''Well, our ideal candidate would have at least 10 million SP in frigates''. See, that's where it fails. You need to grab the noobs before they spend 5 months alone in highsec and get bored.

If this
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=31172
Is serious (I wouldn't put my money on it) it's actually a great step towards that theoretical alliance.


Just FYI, those are the requirement for actually joining Agony the corporation. We also run PvP classes for the larger EVE community, which don't have those same restrictions, and don't involve joining Agony. Agony isn't a training corporation, it's a 0.0 PvP corporation that offers training courses.

http://www.agony-unleashed.com/wiki/index.php/Agony_PVP_University

is the wiki page for our public classes.


I already attend an university during the day, why would I want to join a space university ?
Also, I'd have to pay 40 million ISK for the class?
Sorry, I think I'd prefer learning everything the hard way.

Less space school, more corps that find ways to make newbies matter. I don't get why every corp has SP requirements and such when it's been proven multiple times that tackling rifters can actually make a difference.


 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Lana leng
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#240 - 2011-11-09 22:53:56 UTC
I think that someone is already making something that looks like EVE and feels more like WoW, it's called Starwars: The Old Republic.

So what could possibly CCP win by going in this direction? Subscriptions? My bet would be that they will get trampled by Blizzard or other Bioware likes while loosing their historical player base. Moreover, SciFi games are not half as popular as Medfan, so I don't even know if there is enough room on the market of the so-called "casual gamers" for another big space MMO beside starwars...and not speaking about the WH40K project that should drain all the kiddies if done correctly.