EVE General Discussion

Or should it be "Wow. This is Eve"?

A common retort used by the highly intellectual types on Eve-O is "go play Wow" or "Wow is that way". This is usually in response to the cry to make some things safer in Eve.

Now I have mixed views as to the validity of "safeness" and I fully understand the ethos that is Eve. But you know, if I were a commercial entity trying to raise the subscriber base, I'd be seriously looking at games that make the serious coin.

Wow has more than 11 million subscribers, roughly 20 times more than Eve. I've never played the game but if I take the comments of "go play Wow" to mean a game that is "safe" or has "safe areas" then how come it's so big? One of the most successful MMO's ever to hit the big screen. I'm fully aware that it's not single shard and segmented economics would be a consequence, but this does not seem to hurt the game overall.

Would CCP be doing good for business by making areas - such as high-sec - a safer place to nurture and establish new players and corporations?

Of course, there are many arguments both for and against and as an avid reader of the many posts on the topics, I can only see the protection of an idealogy as the common response for the vast majority of "change nothing" posters.

Is this the right approach? Is this being childishly selfish?

Does Eve need to evolve, in some areas, to be more effective for CCP economically? Is this the plan?

Food for thought.

SO instead of building Hummers, Hummer should start building Toyota Camrys?

So your business plan for EVE is for CCP to throw their existing playerbase under a bus and try to compete head-to-head with Blizzard in their own back yard?

Man, I don't see anything that could go wrong with this plan!

I believe CCP should develop Eve to appeal more to instant gratification, casual player audiences while retaining the raw brutal environments that it has. Not everyone wants to dabble with death on a daily basis. Nor do many people have the time that some aspects of Eve require.

In no way could this possibly detract from null or w-space or losec. If done right, it wouldn't even diminish current lulz mechanics people use in hisec for the lulz. Instant action arenas where one pays isk, plex, aur, cash, whatever to battle it out in any ship they want with no penalty, no gain other than experience. The biggest obstacle preventing people from going to dangerous areas of space, imo, is the fear/grind factor: They're scared to lose their hard earn ships/equipment because they had to grind their ass off to get it. Instant action arenas would be a training ground of sorts that allow people to learn what their hardware can/can't do. It would actually breed confidence enriching the pvp experience throughout eve.

I don't believe making hisec safer isn't a bad thing either. There should always be a means to grief/gank people but, certainly shouldn't be as easy as it is. Maybe make the penalties for such behavior more severe while relaxing concords abilities so that the offender might more often be "chased" off rather than blown up. Who knows....could be fun being "chased" by concord from system to system until you're out of the system/region/constellation. *shrugs*.

Yes. Remove CONCORD.

That is in fact my question.

I'm getting this vibe that the older players are under the impression that people want ALL of Eve made safe. This is absurd and must be ridiculed for what it is.

But there is no reason (imho) why areas of Eve, or more specifically, some game play in Eve can't be made "safer" to facilitate a higher subscriber base without affecting the game in any particularly bad way.

I'm sort of stuck on this. I've yet to see a convincing argument why gameplay such as suicide ganking, if nerfed, would have such a negative impact on the game.

Is it all just forum rage from older players with no understanding of what other players might want?

Did I actually say that? You are the epitome of my entire point.

I'm curious about this common phrase "existing playerbase" though. So you're saying that if suicide ganking (for example) were curtailed, that the entire Eve playerbase would simply up and leave? You truly think that?

Played WOW and amongst the many MMOs I have played, it must have been the most boring.
You virtually complete 10 Missions or more per hour, the graphics suck, player interaction is at zero.

Also, "casual PVP" in EVE? Arenas? No, thanks. We have a whole hangar full of training ships for PVP training, what would we need arenas for?

You'd just take away from the nice people that actually organize Fight Clubs in EVE as a player event. (And earn their share by doing so...)

Depends on your perspective.
From an existing Eve players POV - No probably not
From a casual Newbie POV - Yes Probably
From CCP's POV as a business - YES Definitely, no-one likes laying off staff and killing projects, more subs stop this from happening.

I'm kind of lost in the whole high sec, low sec, null sec categories. Null sec is pretty much anything goes. High and low sec seem almost even with the chance of getting raped by a random gank. I'm not saying everything or anything should be 100% safe, but there should be a distinguishable difference between high and low sec.

Yes, I know you can get concorded in high sec, but it's almost not even a deterrent.