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Why does CONCORD pay bounties for rats in sov null?
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Ibrahim Vaughn Holtzman
the holtzman experience
CAStabouts
#1 - 2014-01-20 17:49:15 UTC
Shouldn't this be the sov holder's duty?

Discuss.
Secret Squirrell
Allied Press Intergalactic
#2 - 2014-01-20 18:02:15 UTC
Non-RP reason: Its the entire point of having the rats there

RP Reason: Concord is there to fight piracy, thinning the ranks of the pirates in nullsec reduces the pressure they put on low and highsec. If left alone, pirates would become more powerful, and a greater threat to the empires.
Ibrahim Vaughn Holtzman
the holtzman experience
CAStabouts
#3 - 2014-01-20 18:18:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Ibrahim Vaughn Holtzman
F**k the non-RP standpoint, let's break the game as much as we can for the sake of common sense, shall we?!

RP: [CONCORD] 'We couldn't care less about the non-Empire wastelands. Let them do as they please. If something out there spills over into empire space we'll just raise the bounties and let them capsuleers take care of it.'
Captain NathanBridger
Forsaken Reavers
#4 - 2014-01-20 18:39:21 UTC
So what you are saying is, Screw giving a reason for Null peeps to stay in there areas. Nerf Null Ratting ISK and have the thousands of Null peeps move back into Hi-Sec, cause amazing system load for all areas especially market hubs and Mission areas. Hey I like it. I can just see Osmon and Aphend and all of the empires under 10% Tidi as all the null ratters and gankers move back to Hi-Sec to get there income and instead of Hunting 0.0 ratters they all go after Hi-sec carebear populations. I can almost TASTE the tears of the population stuck in Tidi as the standard 100+ member Roams hi-sec. I can smell the Ozone from servers melting as all systems are trying to cope with battles all over instead of in null.

Let's do it!
Ibrahim Vaughn Holtzman
the holtzman experience
CAStabouts
#5 - 2014-01-20 18:46:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Ibrahim Vaughn Holtzman
BRING IT !!!

Though I'm sure you nullbabbies won't. It requires too much thought, I guess.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2014-01-20 18:55:03 UTC
Ibrahim Vaughn Holtzman wrote:
BRING IT !!!

Though I'm sure you nullbabbies won't. It requires too much thought, I guess.


Confirming that doing stuff in null is much easier than afk mining or auto piloting and such activities would tax our tiny little minds.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#7 - 2014-01-20 18:57:33 UTC
Without bounties there would be no way to make ISK in null-sec. You would instead have to harvest/build things and ship them over to high-sec to earn cash... at which point, why not live in high-sec? Aside from being able to shoot anything without penalties and ABC asteroids being more common, there is nothing particularly special about null-sec for the "grunt." Only groups who can economically sustain themselves would be able to live out there... kinda like wormholes.


Hmmm... actually... in a perverse way this sounds like both a really good and bad idea.

How did you Veterans start?
Ibrahim Vaughn Holtzman
the holtzman experience
CAStabouts
#8 - 2014-01-20 19:04:59 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Without bounties there would be no way to make ISK in null-sec.


You wouldn't make no bounty. You would make as much bounty as the sov holder would pay you. THAT'S the point.
Captain StringfellowHawk
Forsaken Reavers
#9 - 2014-01-20 19:05:08 UTC
I'll gladly bring my accounts back to hi-sec and pack into my missioning systems. Way easier for Isk/hr, not having to watch for neuts, no Sov grinding... This sounds better every minute. OH and way easier to Camp systems..... OH! CFC can easier do fun Events... Like everyone get into surrounding market systems and once DT ends log in and max the systems out so no one can get into them. Instead of Gate camping systems we can just all bulk fill market hubs so traders can't access them and bleed them dry!
To mare
Advanced Technology
#10 - 2014-01-20 19:41:03 UTC
Ibrahim Vaughn Holtzman wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Without bounties there would be no way to make ISK in null-sec.


You wouldn't make no bounty. You would make as much bounty as the sov holder would pay you. THAT'S the point.

and why the sov holder should be bothered to pay you bounties?
Ibrahim Vaughn Holtzman
the holtzman experience
CAStabouts
#11 - 2014-01-20 20:06:37 UTC
To mare wrote:
and why the sov holder should be bothered to pay you bounties?


Let :CCP: come up with a reason for that! They conceived the death of the jukebox, and the Extremely Stupid Structure !!! I'm breddy sure they'll come up with the right thing!!1
Sentinel zx
#12 - 2014-01-20 20:20:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentinel zx
What about replacing the bounty with rare loot

that means more Deadspace modules and Officer modules

hm.. maybe making them only available in 0.0 (+lowsec)
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#13 - 2014-01-20 20:29:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Harvey James
the OP does have a good point.. the only real issue is how to replace the isk loss in a meaningful way that allows them to stay in 0.0 making isk ... i think it would likely be tied in with improving POS .. making them into the city sprawl CCP has talked about .. improving industry in 0.0 .. maybe making local markets in 0.0 worthwhile instead of the default jita..

of course then changing the way pirates behave in 0.0 would make sense ... like pirate attacks of POS and such things which makes sense in a supposed wild area of space that pirates occupy instead of them being isk pinatas like they are atm...
they would still drop loot when killed during the attacks so theres still something to get out of them for any losses and it might make things more interesting fighting strong A.I. pirate fleets.

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Sentinel zx
#14 - 2014-01-20 20:37:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentinel zx
this is it making available to build Colonies on Planets, Moons and in Space to generate ISK in 0.0
Maybe like in Anno 2070 or this idea http://sandciderandspaceships.blogspot.de/

build your own Empire and defend it Big smile
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2014-01-20 20:48:11 UTC
Secret Squirrell wrote:
Non-RP reason: Its the entire point of having the rats there

RP Reason: Concord is there to fight piracy, thinning the ranks of the pirates in nullsec reduces the pressure they put on low and highsec. If left alone, pirates would become more powerful, and a greater threat to the empires.



Additional RP reason: keep the genocidal demigods away from populated areas.
Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-01-20 21:02:41 UTC
Why is CONCORD allowing Sansha Incursions in high-sec space? CONCORD is mighty enough to obliterate 250 capsuleer battleships within 20 seconds - no matter the system, it makes no sense that Incursions continue to exist. Same goes for missions against pirates in high-sec, they shouldn't exist anymore, only missions against the empires should be given out.
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-01-20 21:28:41 UTC
i havent read everything but let them pay bounty.

Just u dont get Pirate Rats u get Empire Rats as they try to scourge the area of pirates to claim new territories for their respective empire. And the bounty wont get paid by Concord but by a pirate conglemorate.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#18 - 2014-01-20 22:02:39 UTC
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
Why is CONCORD allowing Sansha Incursions in high-sec space? CONCORD is mighty enough to obliterate 250 capsuleer battleships within 20 seconds - no matter the system, it makes no sense that Incursions continue to exist. Same goes for missions against pirates in high-sec, they shouldn't exist anymore, only missions against the empires should be given out.


Because criminal organizations never manage to set up illegal operations in secure areas/cities. Sure... Roll And Sansha use WH to sneak into systems, not gate routes. They appear literally out of nowhere; thus they are impossible to keep out of any space. For the time being at least. Concord could crush them in a short while tho, actually they should even do that a day later to give capsuleers a chance to rid them first.

Also, who else than concord should pay money? Sov-Holders? From what? Moon money? Then everyone would get 100 ISK per rat for 1 day per month and that's it. Have fun with that. Blink

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To mare
Advanced Technology
#19 - 2014-01-20 22:30:36 UTC
CCP should move all the beefy rats and anoms to high sec so concord would have a reason to pay bounties, that should also distract all the hated high sec ppl from running those damn lv4 missions.

ok i was trolling there but if CCP would also move all the lv3 to low sec and lv4 to null that could actually work. never gonna happen tho
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#20 - 2014-01-20 22:35:33 UTC
To mare wrote:
CCP should move all the beefy rats and anoms to high sec so concord would have a reason to pay bounties, that should also distract all the hated high sec ppl from running those damn lv4 missions.

ok i was trolling there but if CCP would also move all the lv3 to low sec and lv4 to null that could actually work. never gonna happen tho


Makes me wonder who should run missions in null sec. Everyone hates PVE there. And those who would want to do it cannot because all L4 agent stations would be perma camped. With the current mindset of the players: phenomenally dense idea.

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