Warfare & Tactics

Eve internet war strategist… Why the hell did I have to attend the War College in Newport when I could’ve have just came here.

Don't worry, appropriately named Space Monkey, just keep throwing the big ships at each other and hope that this time it will be different.

Something we didn't want is not the same as something the enemy wants/can't afford to lose. But ok, keep running after timers and playing whack a mole, just don't wonder why it's always the same.

EDIT: Either way I don't care, I don't have any skin in that game. I'm just fed up of reading about people complaining that the results are always the same, when they are doing exactly the same thing every time.

I think it's pretty clear why you are not a leading strategist in a null alliance. HED was a final timer and numbers wise, the system had plenty of capacity. We had the force to have a good battle against the enemy, and that's what the game is supposedly designed for, fleet battles.
Your idea is to run away and start a few initial timers, which would be completely ineffective, since to actually have an effect several more battles would need to take place after waiting out the timers. Honestly, it's one of the dumber ideas I've heard lately, and I've heard some doozies.

This is barely intelligible, but I'm guessing it means that you think we should simply not fight for the system. Really strange that, since one of the biggest marketing points of EVE is the enormous fleet battles. If it's entirely OK by you, I'd actually like to keep those in, and not simply run away when an enemy fleet shows up.

*Snip* Please refrain from attacks at CCP. ISD Ezwal

No, apparently it was completely unintelligible. I understand you like battles. So do I, which is why I pew. What I don't understand is how you can call sitting and staring at TiDi for 4 hours a "battle". Tell me you love that part of EVE, and I will call you a liar. You would love to be able to DO something during that "battle", to maybe participate over and above watching an ultra-slow motion ballet where your actions may or may not have an effect if you stay around long enough and don't DC. But the status quo? No.

It's better than it was by all means, it takes a lot more people to stress the nodes than it used to, and CCP has made progress. But no matter how much you have today, tomorrow you are going to try to get more.

The very basic mechanics behind large scale EVE PvP have to be revisited and addressed. Short of CCP licensing CPU time from NUDT Tianhe-2 or the Cray Titan in Oak Ridge, I think we've proven that EVE players will continue to throw ships at each other UNTIL the node crashes. Either CCP will have to force combat to spread over several systems via an artificial mechanic or players will have to do this voluntarily, there's no choice.

Where's the "Group Ships" in the fleet window, or "group drones" on the drone window? All y'all are flying the exact same boring ship in these massive fleet fights. Might as well group them together like we do with guns and be done with it.

For those of you who complain that going on the offensive isn't an effective strategy. I've done my nullsec stint, I've been on the aggressing and defending side for sov warfare. Most of the time, the timers are avoided until the it's important to fight (i.e. You've got all of your bat phone sorted and the CTA's all planned). It is that mentality that causes the problem.

If you can put together a 700 man dread fleet and 1,000+ sub cap Dominix fleet, not to mention the over abundance of slow cats then clearly all alliance level strategist have just been failing lalely. Take HED for example, the system was SBU'ed and nothing proactive was done about it except prepare for "omgwad 4+ tidi battle royale". It's already widely known how easy it is to reinforce the required structures. Why not take that massive fleet, and wait for it......

Launch a counter offensive on 10-15 systems at once? Holy **** batman, we have to use smaller, more coordinated fleets to make them reconsider taking just one of our systems. 700 dreads? 100 dreads/system means 1 siege cycle (5 mins). There's 7 systems ready for the next round of timers. But they'll take our system. Yeah go drop another 100 dreads and start the process over on that newly acquired system. Now they have to choose with losing some of their important systems or the one they just took. Or if you're smart then you'll take more than 1, especially when the meta is load up in one system and lag it out to death. You can't lag out 15 systems at one time.

Silly nullbears, learn to meta....

This sounds like the rambling of someone that has no idea about sov mechanics. Why would you pass up defending a sov 5 system just to got an start timer 1 in a whole bunch of others?
And the meta is not "lag it to death", it's "bring what you need to win". Unfortunately to counter what was there was too much for the node to cope with, which quite honestly I'm surprised about, this was supposed to be the super node, and it's not like CCP didn't know what was coming, they reinforced the staging system to cope.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal

and sometimes you have to withdraw and aim to retake at a later date, in order to win the war.


Also Jump Freighters, Carriers and other Cap ships. You do not really need a jump bridge, as nice as it is. Guess their would be a benefit from a Ship Hangar in one of the Jump Freighters.

Yes, because no battles happened prior to HED right?

No matter how many systems we'd attacked, the outcome would be the same, they'd still attack and we'd still have to defend, and since we wouldn't be able to get a final timer in by the same data, they wouldn't need to be on their toes, since they can wait out the final timer, and defend their timers as well. The only way to distract them would be to do something critical to happen on the day, which is impossible because of the timers.

At the end of the day, if they show up to fight a final timer on a sov 5 border system, most people would choose to defend. Since this game isn't about sitting around playing in single player avoiding each other, that is a GOOD THING. Now we just need to have it so that when both sides do turn up they can actually battle it out and have fun. It's a game, and that's what's supposed to happen in it. Running around punching out timers is not fun, hence the calls for years to change sov mechanics to something more active.

This. +1

Alternatively, you could join other losers in high sec shooting miners and baiting mission runners by shooting their MTUs.