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illy velo
Emergency and I
#21 - 2014-01-20 23:11:02 UTC
GF all,

My first battle against my old crew. Many good times with Gunner, Jace and Nash back in the day. Here's to many more battles ahead.
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-01-20 23:44:44 UTC
Ama Atavuli wrote:
Quote:
special thanks to kindric

"Kynric"

Funny coincidence having SYJ roll into the fight, it was great fun though. Video is here

Looking forward to future gudfites.


very lucky they were around. probebly wouldnt have engaged a 2nd time if they hadnt just found our wh :)
Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#23 - 2014-01-21 04:18:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Joan Greywind
Hathrul wrote:


we ordered the bubble down to give stuck pods in our home system the time to get back to their wh. no use chasing them around and just ruins peoples playing time where they could be fighting people.




I know I am going to get flamed hard for this, but this is utterly disgusting. Letting people go because they provide fights, that is how desperate things are in wh's. If it is only about the fights, and not the strategic and tactical advantage, or causing the most harm to your enemy, then go to the test server and fight all day, or join RvB.

Just depressing. The most fun space in EVE with no purpose.
Proclus Diadochu
Mar Sarrim
Red Coat Conspiracy
#24 - 2014-01-21 04:41:23 UTC
Joan Greywind wrote:
Hathrul wrote:


we ordered the bubble down to give stuck pods in our home system the time to get back to their wh. no use chasing them around and just ruins peoples playing time where they could be fighting people.




I know I am going to get flamed hard for this, but this is utterly disgusting. Letting people go because they provide fights, that is how desperate things are in wh's. If it is only about the fights, and not the strategic and tactical advantage, or causing the most harm to your enemy, then go to the test server and fight all day, or join RvB.

Just depressing. The most fun space in EVE with no purpose.


You are right, Joan...

...you are going to get flamed hard for this. It would seem that you constantly have to voice your disgust with wormholes and how people play their game, yet you do nothing else for this community and to my knowledge aren't even in wormholes currently. If you are, then kudos, if not, it would seem that their fight, post fight, and even forum posts have provided more content for this community than anything you have provided recently.

Hath and I haven't always seen eye to eye, but I commend him for arranging terms with the Sky Fighters post fight to allow them to go home. This is a decision that those parties made, and that is how they want to play the game, which is fine. Who are you to judge how they play?

For the record, I know had we fought Sky Fighters and won, we would have done the exact same thing.

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Ama Atavuli
Rolled Out
#25 - 2014-01-21 04:42:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Ama Atavuli
Joan Greywind wrote:
Hathrul wrote:


we ordered the bubble down to give stuck pods in our home system the time to get back to their wh. no use chasing them around and just ruins peoples playing time where they could be fighting people.




I know I am going to get flamed hard for this, but this is utterly disgusting. Letting people go because they provide fights, that is how desperate things are in wh's. If it is only about the fights, and not the strategic and tactical advantage, or causing the most harm to your enemy, then go to the test server and fight all day, or join RvB.

Just depressing. The most fun space in EVE with no purpose.


Yeah, you are. Not sure you'd really understand considering most if not all of your kills are made with a bait procurer and friends. There is something called sportsmanship that although often forgotten, is still present in this game.
I don't see not podding as an act of desperation, I see it as a good spirited "thanks for the opportunity". It simply means, from one pvp group to another, that that was fun, and isn't that why we play? Of course it's about fights, not that you'd understand (unless I'm unaware of your main).

The fight is ruthless, either side does whatever it can to gain an advantage. Whether it's reshipping to fight a specific comp, or customizing your ecm etc. But at the end of the day, it is a game, and in certain situations it's best to abandon a tactical advantage.

Also you say wormholes are the most fun space in EVE, but you don't play in wormholes, as such you have little ground to comment. Unless I've missed something...
Witchway
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#26 - 2014-01-21 05:49:53 UTC
Winthorp wrote:
Byry Kugisa wrote:
Couple of t3's died, does this really need a thread these days?

At least come up with a back story to why it was so awesome...


When you can't post with your main do you really need to reply to a thread any day?


that said, they have a point. without context it looks like you both wussed out.

Official Shit Talking Captain, Bastard of Hard Knocks Inc.
Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2014-01-21 05:50:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Sith1s Spectre
Ama Atavuli wrote:
Joan Greywind wrote:
Hathrul wrote:


we ordered the bubble down to give stuck pods in our home system the time to get back to their wh. no use chasing them around and just ruins peoples playing time where they could be fighting people.




I know I am going to get flamed hard for this, but this is utterly disgusting. Letting people go because they provide fights, that is how desperate things are in wh's. If it is only about the fights, and not the strategic and tactical advantage, or causing the most harm to your enemy, then go to the test server and fight all day, or join RvB.

Just depressing. The most fun space in EVE with no purpose.


Yeah, you are. Not sure you'd really understand considering most if not all of your kills are made with a bait procurer and friends. There is something called sportsmanship that although often forgotten, is still present in this game.
I don't see not podding as an act of desperation, I see it as a good spirited "thanks for the opportunity". It simply means, from one pvp group to another, that that was fun, and isn't that why we play? Of course it's about fights, not that you'd understand (unless I'm unaware of your main).

The fight is ruthless, either side does whatever it can to gain an advantage. Whether it's reshipping to fight a specific comp, or customizing your ecm etc. But at the end of the day, it is a game, and in certain situations it's best to abandon a tactical advantage.

Also you say wormholes are the most fun space in EVE, but you don't play in wormholes, as such you have little ground to comment. Unless I've missed something...


Who are you and what have you done with Ama? The Ama i know struggles to write full sentences, posts **** pics in nullsec local, gets themselves banned and gets kicked from our TS server constantly :P

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Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#28 - 2014-01-21 07:24:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Nucleus
Witchway wrote:


that said, they have a point. without context it looks like you both wussed out.


If you could tell me how you came to that conclusion, that would great.

We went all in until the dread landed. Then we made a smart exit. Good fights are one thing. Stupidly throwing away ships is another.

No trolling please
Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#29 - 2014-01-21 09:26:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Joan Greywind
Proclus Diadochu wrote:
Joan Greywind wrote:
[quote=Hathrul]

stuff




stuff.



I guess the post didn't exactly convey what I think, which is my fault. "Disgusting" was the wrong word to use I admit, it is just in my humble opinion wormhole space could be so much more, but currently it is extremely lacking. Didn't mean to make it look like I'm shitting on the fight, it was a really good post and fight.

All I can do to change the current state of WH is to post on these forums, wish I could do more. Again if you think WH are amazing and complete then all the power to you, I am just trying to get a point across 1 wh denizen at a time.

It is not letting people go that annoys me, it is as a wh community we are forced, to let the pods of the ships we just destroyed go, so we have a small chance of more fights. The lengths we go to just to have fights is staggering. Fights should be easier than this to find, more fights should be had, not creating pseudo religions and letting pods go.

I love WH space and hope in the future it can live up to its full potential. Anyways will stop posting after this as to not hijack you thread
Ama Atavuli
Rolled Out
#30 - 2014-01-21 09:36:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Ama Atavuli
Joan Greywind wrote:
Proclus Diadochu wrote:
Joan Greywind wrote:
Hathrul wrote:


stuff




stuff.



I guess the post didn't exactly convey what I think, which is my fault. "Disgusting" was the wrong word to use I admit, it is just in my humble opinion wormhole space could be so much more, but currently it is extremely lacking. Didn't mean to make it look like I'm shitting on the fight, it was a really good post and fight.

All I can do to change the current state of WH is to post on these forums, wish I could do more. Again if you think WH are amazing and complete then all the power to you, I am just trying to get a point across 1 wh denizen at a time.


Again, how can someone who does not appear to participate in wormhole space in any way even attempt to "change the current state of wh space", especially on the forums? You don't change things by saying you're disgusted and then saying "sorry guys, didn't mean it it was actually really cool blah blah"


[quote]t is not letting people go that annoys me, it is as a wh community we are forced, to let the pods of the ships we just destroyed go, so we have a small chance of more fights. The lengths we go to just to have fights is staggering. Fights should be easier than this to find, more fights should be had, not creating pseudo religions and letting pods go.

I love WH space and hope in the future it can live up to its full potential.


We are not forced to let the pods go. I can link you more pod kills in w-space than I care to if you want. It's situations like these, where two groups with mutual respect engage each other. It's the same reason we shake hands after losing a game. If we got podded that fight, we would not have cried "OOOH MY POD" and logged off in hisec. We would have gotten another pod and come back home. If we had gotten podded we wouldn't pos up the next time we meet. The greatest length we took for that fight was following the order "Fleet jump".

You don't know anything about wormhole space. Don't assume you know how our neighborhood works if you're reading about it online.
Proclus Diadochu
Mar Sarrim
Red Coat Conspiracy
#31 - 2014-01-21 10:41:40 UTC
Joan Greywind wrote:
my humble opinion


Thanks for clarifying your opinion. Honestly, conveying your thoughts as your opinion would be far more constructive to this type of conversation. All of us play the game differently to a degree, and there is nothing wrong saying how you would have done it though.

I, for one, would have probably not said my piece had you opened with "Nice fight guys. Now if it were me, I'd have done..." You post how you want though, because I live in a free country and all that jazz :)

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Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2014-01-21 13:37:15 UTC
Joan Greywind wrote:
Letting people go ... and not causing the most harm to your enemy...
Thats the problem right there and reason why you dont understand it. We are not enemies.

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Nash MacAllister
Air
The Initiative.
#33 - 2014-01-21 15:29:47 UTC
Axloth Okiah wrote:
Joan Greywind wrote:
Letting people go ... and not causing the most harm to your enemy...
Thats the problem right there and reason why you dont understand it. We are not enemies.


Exactly. There is no reason for the corps that actually live and fight regularly in w-space to be enemies. Sure we shoot each other, but it is all in good fun. There are far more groups out there carebearing in w-space that deserve the animosity if one must have it. We just evicted a bunch of ****s because they were the most obnoxious, offensive folks I have ever had the pleasure of meeting in Eve. Quite a distinction... Lol

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#34 - 2014-01-21 15:37:23 UTC
Joan Greywind wrote:



I guess the post didn't exactly convey what I think, which is my fault. "Disgusting" was the wrong word to use I admit, it is just in my humble opinion wormhole space could be so much more, but currently it is extremely lacking. Didn't mean to make it look like I'm shitting on the fight, it was a really good post and fight.

All I can do to change the current state of WH is to post on these forums, wish I could do more. Again if you think WH are amazing and complete then all the power to you, I am just trying to get a point across 1 wh denizen at a time.

It is not letting people go that annoys me, it is as a wh community we are forced, to let the pods of the ships we just destroyed go, so we have a small chance of more fights. The lengths we go to just to have fights is staggering. Fights should be easier than this to find, more fights should be had, not creating pseudo religions and letting pods go.

I love WH space and hope in the future it can live up to its full potential. Anyways will stop posting after this as to not hijack you thread


Think there is a difference in caring for kills and caring for killmails. Podding someone is mostly a nuisance and only necessary if him remaining able to reship would danger your OP. Else, how would you roam with the guys you just shot afterwards?

Everyone loves to roam null in AF-gangs.
Key Dett
West Indies Squadron
#35 - 2014-01-21 16:31:19 UTC
Nash MacAllister wrote:
Axloth Okiah wrote:
Joan Greywind wrote:
Letting people go ... and not causing the most harm to your enemy...
Thats the problem right there and reason why you dont understand it. We are not enemies.


Exactly. There is no reason for the corps that actually live and fight regularly in w-space to be enemies. Sure we shoot each other, but it is all in good fun. There are far more groups out there carebearing in w-space that deserve the animosity if one must have it. We just evicted a bunch of ****s because they were the most obnoxious, offensive folks I have ever had the pleasure of meeting in Eve. Quite a distinction... Lol



This hits the nail on the head. In the first round on the video I specifically told my guys to let the pod go. I did this hoping to get a 2nd round and Polarized/syj did not disappoint. In the last round, Kynric was podded but it was because both sides knew it was the last hurrah. Once it was clear polarized had won they graciously allowed the rest of pods out.

I do not view groups like SSC, Kill, Polarized, Disavowed, SYJ and other Pvp wormhole groups as a enemy. These are the groups that can provide these type of skirmishes for my guys. If I ruthlessly killed their pods and didn't honor agreements we would be less likely to get fights going forward. For me it's more valuable to get the fights than to kill extra billion or two in pods. The larger fights is why I play not to gank miners or pad killboards.

@ Witchway

I could have kept Sky on field and killed a few more tengus and maybe a Loki or 2. The problem was going to be I would have lost most of the fleet. Sky will gladly take difficult fights however we will not suicide a fleet for a few extra kills.
unimatrix0030
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-01-21 16:38:00 UTC
Sounds like everyone had fun!
I love reading those battlereports, keep em coming!

No local in null sec would fix everything!
Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#37 - 2014-01-21 17:10:07 UTC
Nice video, it is much better when the actual comms are inputted also instead of the usual house music.

I gotta say that was one of the most chilled out fc's I heard.
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#38 - 2014-01-21 17:31:24 UTC
Key Dett wrote:
I could have kept Sky on field and killed a few more tengus and maybe a Loki or 2. The problem was going to be I would have lost most of the fleet. Sky will gladly take difficult fights however we will not suicide a fleet for a few extra kills.


Welps can be fun...
Nash MacAllister
Air
The Initiative.
#39 - 2014-01-21 17:33:16 UTC
illy velo wrote:
GF all,

My first battle against my old crew. Many good times with Gunner, Jace and Nash back in the day. Here's to many more battles ahead.


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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#40 - 2014-01-21 17:41:36 UTC
Not to back Joan, but if you had podded them all out.... it's not like they wouldn't come back and do it again. It's a cool gesture I guess, but I would say those that come to fight understand that podding happens - especially in wh. I've let maybe 3 pods go in my eve career. All very new folks that I guess at the time seemed like the right thing to do.

All I'm saying is let's not get some unwritten understanding that pods should be let go. They shouldn't. It can happen, but doesn't have to. I don't let pods go and never will. I got podded earlier this week in empire (???? yeah right ????). I don't even know who it was. Never really looked. I poached a few mission BS, got a kill right activated and pop. I'm not quitting eve and neither will sky fighters if they happen to get podded.


short version - wh 'rules' are getting out of hand - don't make more.
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