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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2014-01-18 20:56:25 UTC
Findail wrote:
dantes inferno wrote:
Thx CCP for this afternoon "fight", that's the worst game experience i've ever had.................................

Instead of lying about how awsome fights in EvE are on your official youtube channel, fix sov, fix tidi...And be sure this ****** game play will be shown by players on youtube. We will laugh when subscription will go down again (already happening anyway...)


Yep. Stayed up all night in the hopes of an epic fight... and instead get a system where even if you wait an hour the grid can't load Sad


I think you died some time ago.
Gettz Squall
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-01-18 20:57:13 UTC
I wish i was not there...f*ck, i lost my interest to defend hed with this kind of tidi,,,,go ahead n3 , just take it....im going to bed
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-01-18 20:59:35 UTC
said it once, will say again:

the root cause is that the sov system rewards blobbing in the form of timers and timing windows.

come up with a system that gets rid of the timing window aspect, and the blobbing will take a sharp downturn.
Sakaron Hefdover
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-01-18 21:02:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Sakaron Hefdover
trader joes Ichinumi wrote:
The only realistic solution is to create incentives for attacking multiple systems at once so this doesn't happen, but that would take a lot of work.

Off the top of my head: Create control points in adjacent systems that give bonuses to your allies. IE Each control point grants 10% more damage. If you have 4 such points, you could really reduce the workload.

However, this would require a lot of rebalancing of ships and reworking sov, which I doubt CCP will do.


That won't do ****

You need anti blob stuff, such as fleet formations that give bonuses, and New AOE weapons that can become common and don't require a specialized ship to use.

Both at the same time however

+ what pinky said.
Zircon Dasher
#25 - 2014-01-18 21:02:52 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:

the root cause is that the PVP system rewards blobbing


FYP

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#26 - 2014-01-18 21:04:47 UTC
over 2 hours now spent in warp tunnel.

"epic battle"

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Findail
Quid Plorus
#27 - 2014-01-18 21:04:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Findail
baltec1 wrote:


I think you died some time ago.


Think I sat in my wreck for about half an hour or so hoping that my pod would load so I could pod myself out.... But it never happened.
From jumping in to arriving back in a new clone I never saw a thing.

I agree with the OP - they need to fix the way sov works, since it's pretty clear the nodes can't handle big fights
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2014-01-18 21:05:18 UTC
Can we maybe get less new deployable things and more work on sov mechanics and a better way to reinforce nodes, or help them be able to better handle these types of fights? I understand nothings perfect, but you're getting free advertisement from us and where do all your large epic battles take place that you try to sell to new players, might want to make sure it sorta' works.

We (CFC/NC./PL -and everyone else who deals with this) want to play this game, but when we have these huge fights that are inevitable, it's very difficult and I dare say it's unplayable.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2014-01-18 21:06:12 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
said it once, will say again:

the root cause is that the sov system rewards blobbing in the form of timers and timing windows.

come up with a system that gets rid of the timing window aspect, and the blobbing will take a sharp downturn.


Timers don't cause blobbing, its the huge amounts of HP.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#30 - 2014-01-18 21:06:45 UTC
Andski wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
some PL guy came up with a really good idea for fixing sov... it had to do with capital system for every constilation to take sov for the whole constilation you would have to have one big fight for the capital (which would still lead to mind slow lag)

but there would be loads of fun leading up to that in the form of enhanced FW plexes that would have to be taken to secure outer lining systems.


you've played long enough to know that that suggestion is literally pre-dominion sov


tbh the pos bowling system was better. then domi system

here is the link:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=266270&find=unread

i like this idea the best...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Paragannon
Furnace and Hammer
#31 - 2014-01-18 21:08:58 UTC
This is terrible, as if the meta was not bad enough, drone assist, drone assist, drone assist, drone assist, a ******** mechanic that makes fleets nothing more than 1 homogeneous goo where the FC presses a button once every 30 seconds and the rest of the fleet watches a movie, or even worse, PLAYS OTHER GAMES.

They have to do this in 0.01% tidi. Its the most demoralizing, unfun thing ever.

Dont get me wrong i love this game, I have been in many large battles that really make my heart pump, especially if u are in some expensive ship that u really don't want to loose.

The battle is not over but n3pl will surely come out in front, because it is completely unthinkable to jump anything more into this fight, why would we? No one is having fun.

It comes to a point where the brave dread pilots, the small portion of total caps that were given the order to jump, either die before they jump and load grid, or load grid and wish to die to get out of this cursed system after 5 hours of boredom and 2 CYCLES OF GUNS.

This war seems to be far from over, as for the will to fight of the pilots on both sides, and the fun they are getting out of the game? I guess every1 knows the answer to that.
Wolf Kruol
Suicide Squad Gamma
#32 - 2014-01-18 21:16:35 UTC
Agreed with OP,

This is nonsense expectations for EVE's future. I'm still waiting to get back into the battle.. **** at this point I don't care if goons kills me so I can just get back to GXK...

BUT I CAN'T log on...

So CCP ether move me to Keberz or kill me.. Ya I petitioned CCP to kill me so I can get back to playing eve... HED is DEAD!

“If you're very very stupid? How can you possibly realize you're very very stupid?

You have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you really are!”
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#33 - 2014-01-18 21:19:12 UTC
Wolf Kruol wrote:
Agreed with OP,

This is nonsense expectations for EVE's future. I'm still waiting to get back into the battle.. **** at this point I don't care if goons kills me so I can just get back to GXK...

BUT I CAN'T log on...

So CCP ether move me to Keberz or kill me.. Ya I petitioned CCP to kill me so I can get back to playing eve... HED is DEAD!


I wouldn't bother, only titan DDs seem to be working now. The dreads were lost the second they jumped.
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-01-18 21:19:16 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
said it once, will say again:

the root cause is that the sov system rewards blobbing in the form of timers and timing windows.

come up with a system that gets rid of the timing window aspect, and the blobbing will take a sharp downturn.


Timers don't cause blobbing, its the huge amounts of HP.


it's timers because they dictate a time and place for people to create the largest possible blobs of the largest possible stuff.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2014-01-18 21:21:17 UTC
WarFireV wrote:
In times of war their can often be hostile relations between both sides. Forum spam, local bashing, lolgaming news sites, we have all seen it.

But today I feel everyone can come together, who right now, fight against each other in HED-GP. Everyone can come to an agreement on one thing.

Fix Sov

This is terrible, this is not epic, this is not grand, this is not amazing. This is just putting a gun to the head of a blind an deaf man and yet this is also EvEs largest capital battle ever.

While the battle today is not the fault of CCP, we are merely people playing the game you created for us, it can at lest put a remind that something more needs to be done perhaps. The server can not handle these battles yet, but sov dictates they have to happen to take a single system.

I am not here to tell you how it can be done, CCP knows the code better then I and know what is possible and what is not. I just want to say that the current Sov system(which has been around longer then POS sov system of old) is sub-optimal to the current EvE player base.



THen why in hell everytime someone suggest changes to move sov in favor of more smaller scaled engagements with valid small scale targets that hurt the sov.. both sides.. yours and yoru enemy call thes epeopel stupid?

No.. you do not want fun fights. You like the status quo... you want that.. and now you pay for it with fights that are not fun at all.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Wolf Kruol
Suicide Squad Gamma
#36 - 2014-01-18 21:21:54 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Wolf Kruol wrote:
Agreed with OP,

This is nonsense expectations for EVE's future. I'm still waiting to get back into the battle.. **** at this point I don't care if goons kills me so I can just get back to GXK...

BUT I CAN'T log on...

So CCP ether move me to Keberz or kill me.. Ya I petitioned CCP to kill me so I can get back to playing eve... HED is DEAD!


I wouldn't bother, only titan DDs seem to be working now. The dreads were lost the second they jumped.

I was lost the second I jumped from Keberz to HED 4 hours ago in and endless tunnel.. My mistake was to reset my client hoping to get a fresh log in..

“If you're very very stupid? How can you possibly realize you're very very stupid?

You have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you really are!”
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2014-01-18 21:23:31 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:


it's timers because they dictate a time and place for people to create the largest possible blobs of the largest possible stuff.


We wouldn't need blobs if it wasn't for the huge amounts of HP we need to burn through. Todays fight only happened because the N3/PL capital blob waited around for us.
WarFireV
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-01-18 21:24:01 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
WarFireV wrote:
In times of war their can often be hostile relations between both sides. Forum spam, local bashing, lolgaming news sites, we have all seen it.

But today I feel everyone can come together, who right now, fight against each other in HED-GP. Everyone can come to an agreement on one thing.

Fix Sov

This is terrible, this is not epic, this is not grand, this is not amazing. This is just putting a gun to the head of a blind an deaf man and yet this is also EvEs largest capital battle ever.

While the battle today is not the fault of CCP, we are merely people playing the game you created for us, it can at lest put a remind that something more needs to be done perhaps. The server can not handle these battles yet, but sov dictates they have to happen to take a single system.

I am not here to tell you how it can be done, CCP knows the code better then I and know what is possible and what is not. I just want to say that the current Sov system(which has been around longer then POS sov system of old) is sub-optimal to the current EvE player base.



THen why in hell everytime someone suggest changes to move sov in favor of more smaller scaled engagements with valid small scale targets that hurt the sov.. both sides.. yours and yoru enemy call thes epeopel stupid?

No.. you do not want fun fights. You like the status quo... you want that.. and now you pay for it with fights that are not fun at all.


Bro me and my people? This is about togetherness over something that is broken not about stupid propaganda.
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2014-01-18 21:24:25 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:


it's timers because they dictate a time and place for people to create the largest possible blobs of the largest possible stuff.


We wouldn't need blobs if it wasn't for the huge amounts of HP we need to burn through. Todays fight only happened because the N3/PL capital blob waited around for us.


They waited around?

Was it for a timer to end?.......P
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2014-01-18 21:25:24 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Mr LaboratoryRat wrote:
Blue standings vs another corp/Alliance should cost isk. More blues = more tax.

Thats all im saying, think about it.


that's just going to create third party junk to replace blue standings and nothing will be resolved.
set standings on third party website system, import your local list and it'll tell you who is and isn't blue... no tax paid.

in fact, i'm pretty sure there are already tools that do this.

from what i heard the standings and little coloured squares were created in response to players already doing the same with their own tools