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Alternative to Amarr - Level 4s
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Aesiron
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2011-11-08 18:50:07 UTC
Hi.

I currently have an Amarr Abaddon and Apocalypse who both mission run. And my aim with these is simply to get a good fitted set of battleships that can do level 4s.

Due to Amarrian damage type restrictions I would like to get another ship that isn't Amarr for level 4 mission running.

I am looking to one of the following: Rokh, Scorpion, Raven, Dominix, Megatharon or a Maelstrom.

I am simply wondering which would be best for simply dealing a better damage type different to EM/Thermic so I don't have to spend twice as long in Angel missions.
iKill Giants
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-11-08 18:53:07 UTC
If all you want is not-EM/Therm, just scratch off the Rokh and Scorp for being inferior to the Raven, and the Mega for being a Thermal powerhouse. Raven, Domi, and Maelstrom will all do you fine. Assuming you have T2 drone skills, you'd probably do best with a Domi and sentries, since you're already an armor tanker.
Aesiron
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2011-11-08 18:57:05 UTC
iKill Giants wrote:
If all you want is not-EM/Therm, just scratch off the Rokh and Scorp for being inferior to the Raven, and the Mega for being a Thermal powerhouse. Raven, Domi, and Maelstrom will all do you fine. Assuming you have T2 drone skills, you'd probably do best with a Domi and sentries, since you're already an armor tanker.


Yeah I have T2 drones and I also have good armor tank skills. Dominix would probably be my second choice after my Amarr ships tied with a Raven.

But the only thing that worries me is the Railguns, I have no skills trained in railguns whatsoever.
Goose99
#4 - 2011-11-08 18:59:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Goose99
Aesiron wrote:
Hi.

I currently have an Amarr Abaddon and Apocalypse who both mission run. And my aim with these is simply to get a good fitted set of battleships that can do level 4s.

Due to Amarrian damage type restrictions I would like to get another ship that isn't Amarr for level 4 mission running.

I am looking to one of the following: Rokh, Scorpion, Raven, Dominix, Megatharon or a Maelstrom.

I am simply wondering which would be best for simply dealing a better damage type different to EM/Thermic so I don't have to spend twice as long in Angel missions.


Highest dps outside of laser boats is Mach, Gallante + Minmatar BS, plus projectile gunnary.

Raven is fast to get into, due to missile's low SP drain.
Maelstrom is slower, due to gunnery's higher SP drain. Maelstrom may not exceed Raven's applied dps overall, due to range issues.
Domi is both slow to get into, due to sentry's high SP drain, and offer low dps. Hybrids is additional SP drain, while offering little applied dps and no changable dmg type. Assuming, of course, your drone skills are typical of gunboat toons, meaning light/med t2 drones but no t2 sentries. SP gap between them is huge.

Best cheap + fast choice is Raven.

Best expensive choice is Mach.
EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-11-08 22:36:02 UTC
tough it out until the expansion and use a mega, armor tank and maybe decent hybrid damage
Angela Spears
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-11-08 23:01:25 UTC
I'm actually in the same boat. I've got a Domi because early in my career I though using drones would be fun. Well, turns out I don't like it. I'm training up now to get a Amarr BS and was looking between Minmatar and Caldari BS's to offset when I ran into the Amarr missions problems due to dmg type.
Kristen Andelare
Night's Shadows
#7 - 2011-11-09 00:02:03 UTC
Overall the Mach kills level 4s better than most anything else, since it has selectable damage types, more DPS than the missile boats, and can use speed to tank and control ranges easily. Angel Extravaganza IV can be run all the way through the bonus room in under 50 minutes. but it takes good Gallente and Minmatar BS skills. For you as a current Amarr BS flyer, that's a load of skills to acquire (including large projectiles). For the domi player that posted, you've got a somewhat shorter train to get there. and of course, expect to spend a good billion to billion and a half ISK to buy and fit one well. that's the expensive option.

Another possibility is the Rattlesnake. Good drones, good missiles, variable damage, and a good tank. also expensive.

the Domi will get a slight push with Hybrid re-balancing that makes it a better ship, rails get a damage boost.
Niko Takahashi
Yoshitomi Group
#8 - 2011-11-09 00:14:21 UTC
Kristen Andelare wrote:
Overall the Mach kills level 4s better than most anything else, since it has selectable damage types, more DPS than the missile boats, and can use speed to tank and control ranges easily. Angel Extravaganza IV can be run all the way through the bonus room in under 50 minutes. but it takes good Gallente and Minmatar BS skills. For you as a current Amarr BS flyer, that's a load of skills to acquire (including large projectiles). For the domi player that posted, you've got a somewhat shorter train to get there. and of course, expect to spend a good billion to billion and a half ISK to buy and fit one well. that's the expensive option.

Another possibility is the Rattlesnake. Good drones, good missiles, variable damage, and a good tank. also expensive.

the Domi will get a slight push with Hybrid re-balancing that makes it a better ship, rails get a damage boost.




cough cough

Where to start.

1 Economically you can not really use the faction ammo for the Mach with Autos

2 The DPS of my CNR will be higher 45ish out. [and no with my fit skills and implants have no problem actually applying that damage]

3 WTF you are doing to run AE for that long 35 minutes in CNR only if that includes looting with Noctis the 50 is ok.

4 Have a character that flies the Mach it is very nice ship much more fun then CNR or Golem with 3 tps but compared to those I dont know I think they are on Par with each other.

Mach if you want a fun ship CNR or Golem IF wellyou are lazy dont want to wory abut tracking and so on.
Aesiron
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2011-11-09 07:22:30 UTC
Do bear in mind that I only have about 260 million ISK. So a Machariel or Rattlesnake is a no.