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Leopards; good investment?
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Ninder
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-01-16 18:13:39 UTC
I have bought about 2bn worth recently as an investment.
Personally I can only see the value of these ships rising in the coming year.
They can be flown by anyone, fastest way to travel long distances (who doesnt like insta warp?),
but also being shuttles very prone to loss. Obviously being special edition means no new ones can be made.

I also can't see these ships being made obsolete anytime soon.
Question is how high will they go 100m realistic?
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2014-01-16 19:40:41 UTC
Ninder wrote:
Obviously being special edition means no new ones can be made.


Are you sure about that?

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Ricard Chastot
Snake Eye Production
#3 - 2014-01-16 19:45:15 UTC
It's hard to say for sure, but if you look at previous ships that were given out to just about everyone, they have started off high in price and then fell rapidly for the first couple of months on the market.

Gnosis is a good example.

And then there's always the risk that CCP will just re-release it at some point in the future like they did with the Sarum Magnate, which can crash the price obviously.

Anyway, I still have the feeling that they'll drop some more in price. It wasn't possible to trade them in the market when they were first released, so people that wanted to sell had to use contracts (which isn't ideal) and it's quite possible that there's still plenty of people out there that don't even know that it's now possible to sell theirs on the market. And besides they were also showing up as being worth 0 isk in the in-game inventory screen for weeks. They've just recently started showing a value there (36M at the time of this writing), which should spur some additional selling from people who aren't that in the loop as soon as they notice it.

As for how much they are worth, I think 100M is really overshooting it. They're a little faster than an intercepter, but have less cargospace, no fighting capabilities, no tackling abilities, no warp-bubble escaping abilities, and can't fit warp core stabs. As far as their value, I'd guess they'll settle somewhere around 10-20M (assuming that CCP doesn't release more). Maybe you can add a little more for rarity eventually, but there are tons of these things in the game and that's going to take a long time.

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Sabriz Adoudel
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#4 - 2014-01-16 23:19:18 UTC
I expect they will be re-issued sometime. They are like the Gnosis - a consumable with one niche. For the Gnosis it's the best AWOXing ship in the game for lowskilled characters - for the Leopard, it's niche is hub to hub travel when carrying nothing.

I still prefer a travel-fit Interceptor for that for some reason.

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Billy Hix
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#5 - 2014-01-16 23:20:29 UTC
I have no idea if they will increase in price or not. I did buy about 30 over two characters and scattered them around HighSec. They do make nipping from A - B much easier.
Ninder
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2014-01-17 00:52:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Ninder
Ricard Chastot wrote:
It's hard to say for sure, but if you look at previous ships that were given out to just about everyone, they have started off high in price and then fell rapidly for the first couple of months on the market.

Gnosis is a good example.

And then there's always the risk that CCP will just re-release it at some point in the future like they did with the Sarum Magnate, which can crash the price obviously.

Anyway, I still have the feeling that they'll drop some more in price. It wasn't possible to trade them in the market when they were first released, so people that wanted to sell had to use contracts (which isn't ideal) and it's quite possible that there's still plenty of people out there that don't even know that it's now possible to sell theirs on the market. And besides they were also showing up as being worth 0 isk in the in-game inventory screen for weeks. They've just recently started showing a value there (36M at the time of this writing), which should spur some additional selling from people who aren't that in the loop as soon as they notice it.

As for how much they are worth, I think 100M is really overshooting it. They're a little faster than an intercepter, but have less cargospace, no fighting capabilities, no tackling abilities, no warp-bubble escaping abilities, and can't fit warp core stabs. As far as their value, I'd guess they'll settle somewhere around 10-20M (assuming that CCP doesn't release more). Maybe you can add a little more for rarity eventually, but there are tons of these things in the game and that's going to take a long time.


Point well made.

I do however think the leopard has more widespread appeal, I used to long for a ship that could do a Jita to Amarr run in under 10 minutes while autopiloting. Time is money in EVE and this ship can save you a heck of a lot of time.
As mentioned though I believe the biggest obstacle to its price rising will be if CCP chooses to give these away as a reward for re-subbing (how I got my gnosis).
Aragorn Angelus
Elysian Technologies Enclave
Fraternity.
#7 - 2014-01-17 01:30:37 UTC
You're f'd.
Ninder
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-01-17 01:33:42 UTC
Aragorn Angelus wrote:
You're f'd.

Eloquently put Sir
Ricard Chastot
Snake Eye Production
#9 - 2014-01-17 02:12:37 UTC
Ninder wrote:
Point well made.

I do however think the leopard has more widespread appeal, I used to long for a ship that could do a Jita to Amarr run in under 10 minutes while autopiloting. Time is money in EVE and this ship can save you a heck of a lot of time.
As mentioned though I believe the biggest obstacle to its price rising will be if CCP chooses to give these away as a reward for re-subbing (how I got my gnosis).


Don't get me wrong, I really like the ship. I just think it's overpriced and a very risky investment at this time.

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Secret Squirrell
Allied Press Intergalactic
#10 - 2014-01-17 04:58:16 UTC
The Apotheosis would be another interesting point of comparison. 15m 6 years after its only release.

Factors that may Influence Apotheosis value
Unique Model
Much larger then regular shuttles
Identical in useful stats to regular shuttle; improved sensor strength on a shuttle is of little use, taking up more space when assembled isn't a selling point

Leopard
Standard Model
Really useful bonus to warp speed

Now the Leopard will get used more then the Apotheosis due to that warp speed bonus, that will inevitably result in more getting killed, causing rarity, which will increase the collector value. However, there are plenty of competative substitutes for the utility value of the warp speed, such as ceptors, and they already cost less. 100m isn't that unreasonable, but will probably take a few years to hit that.
Salome Musashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-01-17 05:27:29 UTC
Ricard Chastot wrote:
It's hard to say for sure, but if you look at previous ships that were given out to just about everyone, they have started off high in price and then fell rapidly for the first couple of months on the market.


This. And then they stabilize.

I used this same philosophy and thought I was going to make a killing on Quafe Zero and the Genolution implants. I came out about 10-20% up on the Quafe, but got nailed on the implants after CCP released a second batch. (supply doubles, demand stays the same, price halves. Oops)

In the end I sold the implants in 0.0, so it wasn't as bad as it could've been.
Ninder
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-01-17 11:16:57 UTC
Salome Musashi wrote:
Ricard Chastot wrote:
It's hard to say for sure, but if you look at previous ships that were given out to just about everyone, they have started off high in price and then fell rapidly for the first couple of months on the market.


This. And then they stabilize.

I used this same philosophy and thought I was going to make a killing on Quafe Zero and the Genolution implants. I came out about 10-20% up on the Quafe, but got nailed on the implants after CCP released a second batch. (supply doubles, demand stays the same, price halves. Oops)

In the end I sold the implants in 0.0, so it wasn't as bad as it could've been.


Given the advice here I have decided to revise expectations and look for a 20% return ;)
Sola Mercury
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-01-17 11:32:45 UTC
Ninder wrote:
I used to long for a ship that could do a Jita to Amarr run in under 10 minutes while autopiloting. Time is money in EVE and this ship can save you a heck of a lot of time.
(how I got my gnosis).


Autopiloting in a Leo? yeah, good idea. Big smile
Ninder
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-01-17 11:36:50 UTC
Sola Mercury wrote:
Ninder wrote:
I used to long for a ship that could do a Jita to Amarr run in under 10 minutes while autopiloting. Time is money in EVE and this ship can save you a heck of a lot of time.
(how I got my gnosis).


Autopiloting in a Leo? yeah, good idea. Big smile


If they want to gank me in a shuttle in my +3 implant hi sec clone they're welcome to
:)
X ATM092
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-01-17 17:19:01 UTC
I can sell you another 70 at 35 each if you want.
Ninder
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2014-01-18 13:04:14 UTC
X ATM092 wrote:
I can sell you another 70 at 35 each if you want.


No thanks i bought mine at 25, I'll sell you 80 at 30 if you like?
X ATM092
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-01-18 17:13:09 UTC
Ninder wrote:
X ATM092 wrote:
I can sell you another 70 at 35 each if you want.


No thanks i bought mine at 25, I'll sell you 80 at 30 if you like?

No dude, wait until they hit 100.
Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
#18 - 2014-01-18 23:36:38 UTC
X ATM092 wrote:
I can sell you another 70 at 35 each if you want.

I will take them, set a contract
X ATM092
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-01-19 04:15:55 UTC
Mr LaboratoryRat wrote:
X ATM092 wrote:
I can sell you another 70 at 35 each if you want.

I will take them, set a contract

Made the contract then checked Jita prices and noticed a spike (buy orders are now at 35) so I deleted it. If you are interested in a higher offer though I do have 76 I'm looking to unload.
Ninder
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2014-01-19 11:56:59 UTC
X ATM092 wrote:
Mr LaboratoryRat wrote:
X ATM092 wrote:
I can sell you another 70 at 35 each if you want.

I will take them, set a contract

Made the contract then checked Jita prices and noticed a spike (buy orders are now at 35) so I deleted it. If you are interested in a higher offer though I do have 76 I'm looking to unload.


Maybe not such a bad investment after all :)
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