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Avoiding pirates/muggers while running agent combat missions, in low sec

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#21 - 2014-01-17 00:37:27 UTC
Jonathan Storm wrote:
What you suggest is basically avoidance is nearly impossible.


Rubbish.

Read up on how to make "safe spots". Read up on how to use dscan - both long and short range. Read up on probes, especially combat probes. Learn how to check local constantly. Learn how to check map statistics like pilots in space, pod kills and ship kills. Learn those things and you can happily take your favorite mission ship into low or nullsec and never, ever have trouble.

But hey, that's WORK, right? You'd rather just be lazy and have CCP hand you that shiny ship for free? Then you don't deserve one. Low sec has higher rewards for a reason - the risk is greater. But it's not impossible - you just have to pay attention.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-01-17 09:07:29 UTC
Ptraci wrote:

But hey, that's WORK, right? You'd rather just be lazy and have CCP hand you that shiny ship for free? Then you don't deserve one. Low sec has higher rewards for a reason - the risk is greater. But it's not impossible - you just have to pay attention.


Come on that's a bit harsh.

Sure you look down on us but some of us don't want to spend all our time looking over our shoulder while we're missioning, or perhaps we don't have the money to risk a BS which I understand are hopeless in solo pvp yet is what most people are going to need to do lvl 4 missions.

You heard himself say that he doesn't have access to assault cruiser.

And yes I don't accept failure.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#23 - 2014-01-17 10:09:47 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Ptraci wrote:

But hey, that's WORK, right? You'd rather just be lazy and have CCP hand you that shiny ship for free? Then you don't deserve one. Low sec has higher rewards for a reason - the risk is greater. But it's not impossible - you just have to pay attention.


Come on that's a bit harsh.

Sure you look down on us but some of us don't want to spend all our time looking over our shoulder while we're missioning, or perhaps we don't have the money to risk a BS which I understand are hopeless in solo pvp yet is what most people are going to need to do lvl 4 missions.

You heard himself say that he doesn't have access to assault cruiser.

And yes I don't accept failure.


A BS isn't helpless in solo PVP if it fits heavy neuts in a couple of high slots.

As for affordable ships that can do L4s in lowsec - Assault frigates can do them, just not fast (and you can't break the tank of one rat in "The Mordrus Headhunters" which SOE give a fair bit). With player skill, L4s can be done in a speedtanked tech 1 cruiser but this will take practice.

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#24 - 2014-01-17 10:16:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
Looking over your shoulder is what you should do if you want to survive in lowsec. If you don't want that, you would not be running missions in lowsec. It is as simple as that. That being said, I do agree to some extend this is simply not a good activity for completely new players. Simply too much variables involved, to many potential mistakes to be made. It quickly turns into a recipe for failure and an exercise in frustration, unless this new player is truly of above average intelligence and perception.

Im my opinion a player is better off concentrating on PVP and intel-gathering in any given area, before jumping into missions blindly. Once you have extensive knowledge on who is a pirate, who is the harmless PI guy, and when they are online, doing anything that puts you into a vulnerable position (PVE) becomes less problematic.

I would not recommend lowsec missions to new players. Not because of the chance they will be engaged in PVP, but the standings hit they recieve when not being able to complete the mission. I would not recommend PVE content that has a time limit and can't be abandoned without negative consequence. Ratting and exploration are less punishing for new players.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#25 - 2014-01-17 13:11:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Ptraci
Paul Otichoda wrote:

Sure you look down on us but some of us don't want to spend all our time looking over our shoulder while we're missioning,


Then stay in high sec and quit complaining about how the mission rewards and bounties are so crappy. I'm not "looking down on you", I'm telling you how to do it and survive. Hell if you think real advice is an insult, then you are not going to go very far in this game.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-01-17 14:41:06 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:

Sure you look down on us but some of us don't want to spend all our time looking over our shoulder while we're missioning,


Then stay in high sec and quit complaining about how the mission rewards and bounties are so crappy. I'm not "looking down on you", I'm telling you how to do it and survive. Hell if you think real advice is an insult, then you are not going to go very far in this game.


Ok then how much bigger is the low sec mission rewards? My raven makes about 13m an hour at present at caldari BS 3 and cruise missiles at 4.

Though I will admit at present I'm training logistics 5 so I can get more into incursions. I can make about 60m an hour there at present.
Etria Issen
Imperial Varista
#27 - 2014-01-17 15:12:44 UTC
Come to think of it, low/null are probably so bad to new players because there's no way to really ease them into it. You go from the protected, law-enforced world of high-sec to low-sec: where no law exists. There's no "easing" someone into the concept that EVE has entire sectors that can be, potentially, filled with jerks who will kill you for fun.

In high-sec you learn people will only kill you because you are carrying a ton of valuables in your cargo hold that makes you a juicy target. Or the occasional guy who is just bored and wants to gank someone.

Then you step into low-sec where people can kill you for zero reason at all. They don't even have to care if you have anything valuable. They can kill you just because they want too. There's no inbetween. There isn't like some area of space with minimal policing, some place where CONCORD exists but responds slowly and may not get there before you die, and then no longer care. There's just no way to really ease someone into the whole thing.

And then null is fundamentally the same lawless hell that lowsec is anyway.

Of course, none of the fear of low/null would exist if EVE didn't really appeal to gankers and griefers in those places in the first place, but I digress to another point entirely.

Just stay in high-sec. The benefits of low/null are higher, but you add an impossible to account for human risk factor everytime you go there. You can learn to master them, and probably have fun with it, but it's just safer to be in a part of the game where law and order exists, and where you don't need to just shoot everyone you see to be "safe".
Degnar Oskold
Moira.
#28 - 2014-01-17 15:23:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Degnar Oskold
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:

Sure you look down on us but some of us don't want to spend all our time looking over our shoulder while we're missioning,


Then stay in high sec and quit complaining about how the mission rewards and bounties are so crappy. I'm not "looking down on you", I'm telling you how to do it and survive. Hell if you think real advice is an insult, then you are not going to go very far in this game.


Ok then how much bigger is the low sec mission rewards? My raven makes about 13m an hour at present at caldari BS 3 and cruise missiles at 4.

Though I will admit at present I'm training logistics 5 so I can get more into incursions. I can make about 60m an hour there at present.


A HAC running level 4 SOE missions in lowsec with some social skills trained, makes about 70 mill per hour from LP rewards (between 2-3 missions giving about 9000-10000 LP each asssuming you get the big missions, and SOE ships netting your about 2.9 isk per lp. ) per hour, plus about 7 mill in mission rewards, and 12 million in bounties, for about 90 million per hour without salvaging or looting wrecks.

I used to run hisec level 4 missions in my marauder alt before , but now realise that the income from lowsec level 4s is better.

The tradeoff is massive risk - the mission systems are hubs for pirate activity. Being in faction warfare gives you immunity from local FW pirates from your own faction, which helps.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#29 - 2014-01-17 15:49:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Ptraci
Degnar Oskold wrote:

I used to run hisec level 4 missions in my marauder alt before , but now realise that the income from lowsec level 4s is better.


Just wait until you find out about NPC agents in nullsec and the rewards you get there.... 11k loyalty points PER mission? Plus since it's npc space all the stations are dockable, and you really don't have to change your playstyle at all. Just have to be paranoid.
Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#30 - 2014-01-17 16:07:03 UTC
Not to mention Faction War missioning.
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#31 - 2014-01-17 16:11:19 UTC
Thomas Builder wrote:
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Edit - when you see folk in a system you should look at them; see who they are; check their sec status and if they are related to others in the system; maybe even look at their kb. While not being foolproof, such background checks will give you an idea of who you need to be wary of.
I'd disagree, as this can easily lead to a false sense of security.
I used to do this, but since I got attacked by someone with a 4.8 security status I prefer to be paranoid and consider anyone dangerous.


Like I said - it is not foolproof, but more information allows you to make informed decisions.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#32 - 2014-01-17 16:16:04 UTC
Etria Issen wrote:


There's no "easing" someone into the concept that EVE has entire sectors that can be, potentially, filled with jerks who will kill you for fun.



IMO this is exactly the wrong attitude to approach a game like eve. The reason why pve is fun in lowsec is because of the people hunting you. There is no rush from doing pve in empire. You move to lowsec because empire is boring. Those "jerks" are doing you a favor by adding content to your gameplay thereby making the game interesting.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-01-17 18:58:57 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
If you want the danger of low/null combined with the pve experience, try out the angels epic arc. Its a blast. Read guides about nullsec travel before attempting. It can be done easily in a t1 destroyer and gives about 300 mill in items for ten missions.

Requirements
Above -2.0 standings with either Amarr, Angels or Minmatar,
Above 3.0 standings with either Amarr Navy (Amarr), Dominations (Angels), or Republic Security Services (Minmatar).

Abiltity to fit and fly a t1 destroyer with decent skills, or an interceptor/assault frigate with good skills.
Decent piloting ability. (Understand how transversal velocity works to reduce the damage you take, the enemies are larger ships that your's with better DPS and tank)
MWD+ Cloak is strongly recommended for traveling. I fit dual prop for this and offlined the cloak before starting missions. The new anchor-able structures may make this easier.
10K Optimal+Falloff is recommended. A few rats have webs that will make it difficult to approach to blaster range. (I did this in a blaster catalyst, and a few missions were a pain).
Understanding of D-scan is required. Hit the scan button every 6 seconds on average.

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Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-01-17 20:51:41 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
If you want the danger of low/null combined with the pve experience, try out the angels epic arc. Its a blast. Read guides about nullsec travel before attempting. It can be done easily in a t1 destroyer and gives about 300 mill in items for ten missions.


I don't understand why everyone suggests that you should do the pirate epic arcs. Sure the pay out may be nice but you're messing up your empire standings (about -0.75) if I understand which means months of grinding if you want to run missions in high sec or set up a POS there.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#35 - 2014-01-17 23:14:43 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
If you want the danger of low/null combined with the pve experience, try out the angels epic arc. Its a blast. Read guides about nullsec travel before attempting. It can be done easily in a t1 destroyer and gives about 300 mill in items for ten missions.


I don't understand why everyone suggests that you should do the pirate epic arcs. Sure the pay out may be nice but you're messing up your empire standings (about -0.75) if I understand which means months of grinding if you want to run missions in high sec or set up a POS there.


1. Sisters of Eve epic arc fixes empire standings very quickly.

2. Why the hell would you want to go through all the trouble of putting up a POS in high sec? In low sec/null sec you don't need standing, you don't need starbase charters, your POS will defend itself, and they really don't get knocked over all the time. In fact it's quite rare, unless you put it smack in the middle of some big low sec coalitions territory. And even then they are probably willing to leave it alone in exchange for a "rental fee".
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#36 - 2014-01-18 00:04:21 UTC
Ptraci wrote:


2. Why the hell would you want to go through all the trouble of putting up a POS in high sec? In low sec/null sec you don't need standing, you don't need starbase charters, your POS will defend itself, and they really don't get knocked over all the time. In fact it's quite rare, unless you put it smack in the middle of some big low sec coalitions territory. And even then they are probably willing to leave it alone in exchange for a "rental fee".


yes but everyone says you really need to have a large POS for low or null sec while in high sec you can use small or mediums towers that are cheaper to run. Also I wasted months grinding standings so I'm going to get some use out of it.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#37 - 2014-01-20 01:39:25 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Ptraci wrote:


2. Why the hell would you want to go through all the trouble of putting up a POS in high sec? In low sec/null sec you don't need standing, you don't need starbase charters, your POS will defend itself, and they really don't get knocked over all the time. In fact it's quite rare, unless you put it smack in the middle of some big low sec coalitions territory. And even then they are probably willing to leave it alone in exchange for a "rental fee".


yes but everyone says you really need to have a large POS for low or null sec while in high sec you can use small or mediums towers that are cheaper to run. Also I wasted months grinding standings so I'm going to get some use out of it.



If you have earned enough standings to anchor a POS in highsec, you can set up a solo corp, anchor the POS, pass CEO roles to an alt that doesn't have any enemies, then your main can drop corp (or stay in it as you see fit) and can mess up their empire standings.

The only real risk comes from people wardeccing you to attack your POS after you've messed up your standings. If that happens, you can always move it to lowsec then. It's pretty rare to get decced if your POS is owned by a nearly inactive solo character, unless it is in a hotly desired spot. To make losing your POS less likely, look for a 0.6 security system (0.5 is in higher demand as sec requirements are lower) that is a 'dead end' (i.e. the system has only one stargate) and that is not within 3 jumps of a trade hub.

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