Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Doesn't this hurt the tackle role of interceptors more than the travel role?

Has someone tried out what this equates to in the orbiting distance/speed on sisi yet?

Again that's perfectly true.

Is it me or are people actually surprised to see an interceptor able to slip past blockades and catch stuff ?
Then what ? Logi will get a rep nerf because people are complaining they are repping more than logi drones ? :/



If you are unsatisfied about the state of missile interceptors, maybe now should be the time to take a look at the missile system in its globality, instead of nerfing missile ships with random stats that will not affect his damage application, but will affect his ability to tackle, which is much more impairing.

This does not mean that I share your analysis of the crow's damage ability. In fact I find it very wrong :( :
1- The Crow has excellent damage application at long ranges even when flying at high speeds. Indeed it does, but its dps with light missiles is quite low. In addition to that, fitting requirements for light missiles makes it impossible to use its other strenghts (i.e med slots) at the same time. You can use ridiculously overpriced meta4 launchers to ease that eventually. And of course, needless to say, dps is not very important for interceptors...
2- The Crow has four very valuable mid slots. Indeed it does, and indeed they are very valuable ! Because if you substract the MWD and Point that an interceptor MUST have, you're left with two med slots for the tank. That's one less compared to three low armor ceptors. Just look at your metrics for the Raptor (which is shield and has three med slots) and try to prove that I'm wrong :D. Also again, that's two med slots that cannot be put to good use at the same time than its damage application. Due to fitting requirements.
3- The Crow has the longest lock range of any interceptor. That is true (by only 7% more than a turret ship like the Ares, but why not...). However every interceptor has enough targeting range to keep target during the full long point range. And at these speeds, the extra range is ridiculous since it reprensent one second of piloting.
4- Nerfing its agility wont prevent tracel ceptors from prevaling, which is normal by the way. But it will cause issues during combat, a moment where current agility stats could even have used a buff.

So, overall, due to secondary and debatable advantages, you're nerfing one of the primary stats of this ship. That is not cool !
Also, calling it a "Tweak" when you're taking away almost a FULL SECOND of align time (unskilled I know but I wanted to sound dramatic :D) on a ship relying only on agility and speed... That's a bold move ! Like making a post about, say, "Carrier Brandwidth Tweak" to remove 20% of their brandwidth ^^

Edit :
The solution!
Let me suggest you a compromise. If you want to nerf their agility for travel, why not giving them a role bonus that reduces their mass when using MWDs. (Effectively removing the mass penalty, or even going further and decreasing their mass). This way, interception in combat remains the same (or can even be improved), but interceptors for travel are nerfed. Even if you reduce their mass during MWD, you cannot use that to travel because of the one second tick that will negate this benefit (the interceptor will loose the second of acceleration before activation of the module) and because of the sig radius penalty that decrease lock time on an MWDIng interceptor.

This balance needs to come from the interceptors' combat strength, not their tackling ability. An interceptor's primary job is to catch things and pin them down, not to kill things. With this in mind the nerf should come in form of reduced damage.

This would lead to fleets that combine fast, agile interceptors to catch enemies with other frigates (such as assault frigs) to deliver the damage.

Sorry Marcus, your point was valid and I'm wrong.

Nontheless I still believe that nerfing their combat agility is a bad thing.
See my proposal for keeping the current agility nerfs, along with a brand new MWD mass reduction role bonus. A few posts higher.

because CCP hates missiles it seems :/

Still awaiting a fix for this.

Otherwise unkillable nullsec ratters? What crack are you smoking? VNI's and Ishtars kit out for tanking Gurista's (which is what you mostly find in goonspace) have huge vulnerabilities towards many things. This nerf just means TEST can't run around with an uncatchable 20m isk ship blowing up 100-200m ratting ships while laughing at 30 man sensor boosted gatecamps and roaming gangs trying to catch them. I'm sorry, but if an interceptor specifically warps right into scram range of my sensor boosted assault frigate or counter interceptor, I should have more than a 1 in 20 chance of catching you. Right now, even with a ship that has a 1s lock time against interceptors I still have a razor thin margin to catch you. So razor thin that it has less to do with skill and fitting and more to do with just plain dumb luck and if the server winds want to swing in my favor.

Should interceptors be extremely slippery and be able to dictate their engagements? Yes

Should interceptors be able to run around with absolute impunity against any form of counter defense? No

I for one love people running around goonspace trying to blow us up. It provides valuable lessons and content. But when a single ship is able to engage only the things he wants to, and just laugh and run away from everything else, no matter how big of a defense is mounted against it, that's kind of broken.



I agree with others in this thread that say the combat and tackling abilities of interceptors aren't what need to be nerfed. Only their ability to warp in, look, and turn around and warp out before ANYTHING (Even sensor boosted, high scan res frigates in point blank scram range) can catch it. It not impossible, but like I said earlier, it just comes down to %33 percent skill/fit %66 percent dumb luck. Needs more skill/fit, less dumb luck.

Fun fact, I actually experimented with MWD mass penalty reductions when I was doing the Navy Cruisers. It's so overpowered that I had a blast with it on the test server but it isn't something I expect we'll see on TQ any time soon.

The best thing about it was what happened when you combine with an oversized MWD.

My Crow fits will remain unaffected by this since I favor speed and agility over damage projection...

What I'd REALLY love to see is new smexy ship models for T2 ships just like bombers got!

Or at the very least, give us different or more ship models that has the same stats!

Moar ship models please!

I don't see how it could be overpowered. If you keep the agility nerf that you are planning to do, it could just make ceptors return to their previous agility to mass ratio that they had with MWD before the nerf. With just less mass and more inertia modifier.

It may have been overpowered for navy cruisers but we are talking about interceptors right now. They have nothing in common.