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CLOAK. Will work for active people, even active lamps. Short AFK available

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Lapata Kapata
AST Corpi
#1 - 2014-01-16 08:40:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Lapata Kapata
Make a Cloaking device "random password protected"(password mechanics already implemented on POSES).
First cyckle for free.
1 cycle lasts 2.5 minutes. each 10 cycles you get triple cycle(enough to go toilet or make coffee)
Each activation needs to be "minigame"
4 digits code pop up on display and pilot have only to press 4 digits popping up in randomised row as buttons
t.ex. CODE popping up is 8596
Randomly placed buttons appear close to each other abowe the capacitor as 6985 or 8659 and pilot have to press buttons in right sequence.

Such method will "ban" AFK cloacking, will do impossible script CLOAKing and give possibility to active pilots easy control their cloacking without any interference with game mechanics.

Very simple code changes, it can be done on client side with randomise password forwarding from Game Server for bot protection.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#2 - 2014-01-16 08:43:24 UTC
Why?

Oh and what is a cloack?

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-01-16 08:43:51 UTC
Yay another one. Yea lets bring the joys of captcha to eve.

Btw there are some players that legitimately use afk cloaking defensively. It's all not just harassers.
Lapata Kapata
AST Corpi
#4 - 2014-01-16 08:53:24 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:

Btw there are some players that legitimately use afk cloaking defensively. It's all not just harassers.

Examples?
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#5 - 2014-01-16 09:01:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Lapata Kapata wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:

Btw there are some players that legitimately use afk cloaking defensively. It's all not just harassers.

Examples?


Watching an enemy's station? Being a Twitch streamer? Both of them are not fully AFK most of the time, but they rely on undisturbed cloak to do their job. Especially Twitch streamers in this hostile, triggerhappy environment where people rather shoot than let a known, non-hostile neutral pass by.

If you cannot rat in your usual -1.0 system, go to a -0.8 or -0.5 or even a -0.1, no one is going to bother you there. Again, you have the sov, use it. AFK Cloakers are just the reminder that you must use your sov completely and not just the cherries; or else stop complaining about dead 00 regions.

IBL - Is this AFK-Cloaking Thread #5 or #6 this week?

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suid0
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2014-01-16 09:07:16 UTC
Same rules should apply to you when you idle inside pos shields or a station.

Enter your code wrong and you get ejected from the station/pos shields.


RollRollRollRollRollRollRoll

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Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#7 - 2014-01-16 09:34:28 UTC
Lapata Kapata wrote:
es. each 10 cycles you get triple cycle(enough to go toilet or make coffee)


Thank you for allowing us to go to toieltte and making a coffe when we're in your system. It's so kind of you to policy our real life.
Lapata Kapata
AST Corpi
#8 - 2014-01-16 09:40:29 UTC
Sura Sadiva wrote:
Lapata Kapata wrote:
es. each 10 cycles you get triple cycle(enough to go toilet or make coffee)


Thank you for allowing us to go to toieltte and making a coffe when we're in your system. It's so kind of you to policy our real life.


We are people of biff and blood, and some times need to pee. I just thinking about myself :-)

Those who streams - go play journalists IRL, or be a part of battle as IRL, who cares if streamer will be killed?
Closer RL, more adrenaline.
Lapata Kapata
AST Corpi
#9 - 2014-01-16 09:41:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Lapata Kapata
suid0 wrote:
Same rules should apply to you when you idle inside pos shields or a station.

Enter your code wrong and you get ejected from the station/pos shields.


RollRollRollRollRollRollRoll

It's two total different mechanisms. Poses have to be filled by petrol and it consumes. Don't forget about that.

Station is something special in working mechanics, you fit, trade etc. It is enough dangerous to be popped on Dock/Undock even you have a dock/undock bookmark.
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#10 - 2014-01-16 09:55:34 UTC
Lol.

Afk cloaking is only disrupting people's activities when said people are doing something they know is stupid. Like ratting in a supercarrier.

Yet they still do that a lot, and you would want to remove the only thing that effectively brings a slight risk to their otherwise ultra-safe farming activities ?

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#11 - 2014-01-16 10:12:29 UTC
Still waiting for you to answer my question. Why?

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Lapata Kapata
AST Corpi
#12 - 2014-01-16 10:28:42 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Still waiting for you to answer my question. Why?

Because.

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2014-01-16 10:31:34 UTC
Anyone suggesting any form of captcha in EVE should have all of their characters biomassed.
Lapata Kapata
AST Corpi
#14 - 2014-01-16 10:37:57 UTC
Altrue wrote:
Lol.

Afk cloaking is only disrupting people's activities when said people are doing something they know is stupid. Like ratting in a supercarrier.

Yet they still do that a lot, and you would want to remove the only thing that effectively brings a slight risk to their otherwise ultra-safe farming activities ?


Sorry mate, IF you want to stop anybody - you might risk or spend your time.

AFK cloacking is a mechanism that is not balanced at all in game mechanics. You can not make a gameplay AFK in any kind of activity but AFK cloacking. Also AFK generate more load on server, all have it's "time out" - in case of eve - implementing "activity timer" t.ex. 10 minutes, if nothing done - logoff will cause mass kill of supers safety stored on Poses wtihout cloack. NO?

Let see, active "lamp" fishing by close same mechanism as "suicide" in empire - sitting and waiting until some baits. And t.ex. suicide have 100% death rate because of Concord, how many lamps have you seen on KB? often they are not even in list of killers when we speak about carrier/super.

Since we are not speaking only about lamps, also system spy for regroup systems, lamp on other side of gate, where miners/campers monitoring income...

It will ease to kill a mining fleets as well as do problematic to kill a Super rattling.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#15 - 2014-01-16 10:50:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Lapata Kapata wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Still waiting for you to answer my question. Why?

Because.

Because what?

Lapata Kapata wrote:
Altrue wrote:
Lol.

Afk cloaking is only disrupting people's activities when said people are doing something they know is stupid. Like ratting in a supercarrier.

Yet they still do that a lot, and you would want to remove the only thing that effectively brings a slight risk to their otherwise ultra-safe farming activities ?


Sorry mate, IF you want to stop anybody - you might risk or spend your time.

AFK cloacking is a mechanism that is not balanced at all in game mechanics. You can not make a gameplay AFK in any kind of activity but AFK cloacking. Also AFK generate more load on server, all have it's "time out" - in case of eve - implementing "activity timer" t.ex. 10 minutes, if nothing done - logoff will cause mass kill of supers safety stored on Poses wtihout cloack. NO?

Let see, active "lamp" fishing by close same mechanism as "suicide" in empire - sitting and waiting until some baits. And t.ex. suicide have 100% death rate because of Concord, how many lamps have you seen on KB? often they are not even in list of killers when we speak about carrier/super.

Since we are not speaking only about lamps, also system spy for regroup systems, lamp on other side of gate, where miners/campers monitoring income...

It will ease to kill a mining fleets as well as do problematic to kill a Super rattling.
Please show evidence that being AFK and cloaked is not balanced.

Also please show us evidence that a client AFK, generates more server load.

Also, please answer why this idea is needed.

Oh and the word is CLOAK, not cloack.

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Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#16 - 2014-01-16 11:08:22 UTC
You would be a good troll if it wasn't for the fact that you've started two threads about two of the most argued over topics on this forum and followed the troll handbook to the letter by not answering perfectly reasonable questions and continuing to write terrible English (although it slips into not too terrible at points - more troll evidence) with terrible arguments.

1/10 to this obvious troll.
Gawain Edmond
Khanid Bureau of Industry
#17 - 2014-01-16 11:27:37 UTC
he's right the server load from people being cloaked and afk is terrible and on that basis anyone who's not done anything within 5 mins of their last action should be logged out of the game and all their stuff blown up regardless of if they're in space or docked in a station or at a pos the servers just can't take people doing nothing and not interacting with the game any more!! and there should be a button that you can click that bans anyone in the game who cloaks or goes afk or who runs from a fight or does anything you don't approve of
suid0
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2014-01-16 11:43:03 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Anyone suggesting any form of captcha in EVE should have all of their characters biomassed.


Cannot support this enough.

+1

the entire enemy support fleet is dead except for one interdictor a titan could easily finish off with drones  - Commander Ted
suid0
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2014-01-16 11:47:15 UTC
Lapata Kapata wrote:
Also AFK generate more load on server


I really doubt your AFK cloaky problem is that extreme it's causing tidi, which means the load of the cloaky in your system is causing no real strain on the servers.

So going to have to call horse **** on this one.

keep trying

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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#20 - 2014-01-16 11:56:02 UTC
Lapata Kapata wrote:
Also AFK generate more load on server


Oh sure, because everyone knows that when you're afk, and thus unable to move to the grid where the fight is occuring, you generate more load!... Or not.

Please refrain from making assumptions that can be dismissed by basic logic.
What generates server load is that during a fight, each pilot's actions have to be broadcasted to the rest of the pilots on grid. This is an exponential increase in load.

If you're afk and thus unable to warp, thus in a place where nothing happens, you do not generate more server load when the server cannot handle it, i.e during a fight. The rest of the time when there is no Tidi, the load you generate is by nature irrelevant because the server can handle it just fine.

Afk cloaking is the only thing that makes having or not a local, less important. Because it forces you to pay attention to your Dscan and use you brain whatsoever. So that you feel a bit more like in W-Space :p

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