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Caldari Navy Invul. instead of Dread Guristas Invul.
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Aluka 7th
#1 - 2014-01-15 18:06:28 UTC
Hi,

Could someone give me their take on why people use predominantly Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field instead of Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field when they have same bonuses but Navy one costs 20+% more?
This is just one of examples but there are multiple modules where even better one is cheaper but for some reason its not utilized.

Tnx,
A7
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#2 - 2014-01-15 18:10:02 UTC
because of caldari RPer dorks and other people that decided to buy them from the LP store.

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Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-01-15 18:30:15 UTC
why use faction invuls at all after all deadspace are better even the "cheap" c-type
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#4 - 2014-01-15 18:43:01 UTC
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
why use faction invuls at all after all deadspace are better even the "cheap" c-type


Compared to pithum c-types, the DG invuln is cheaper, and uses less cpu and capacitor.
Compared to the gistum c-type, the DG invuln is better, because it uses less cap and is identical in every other respect. It is similar in price.

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Aluka 7th
#5 - 2014-01-15 18:57:35 UTC
My theory is that people just copy paste fits from other mission runners and don't do any research or adaptations of fits.
Shoogie
Serious Pixels
#6 - 2014-01-15 19:08:09 UTC
I'm pretty sure your theory is correct.

Lazy people copy and paste a fitting from somewhere, and don't bother to think about variant fittings for themselves.

CN Invulns were probably cheaper than DG ones back in the day when the magical fitting was first written up. Since then, so many people have copied it that demand for CN Invulns has gone up, therefore price has gone up.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-01-15 19:12:46 UTC
Personally I don't understand why people use faction/deadspace tanking mods on level 4 PVE fits all.
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-01-15 20:03:28 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
Personally I don't understand why people use faction/deadspace tanking mods on level 4 PVE fits all.


tbh i understand it but i dont use it. U can bring a 3 tank domi with deadspace stuff up to the lvl of a 5 slot tanked domi. Faction Missile Launchers are more efficient for mission running and faction damage amps give more damage which would make missions faster. Downside is u run a medium to high risk of suicide ganks singling you out.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#9 - 2014-01-15 20:04:59 UTC
MIMAF. Except for LP.
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-01-15 20:29:56 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
Personally I don't understand why people use faction/deadspace tanking mods on level 4 PVE fits all.


Because some birds are utterly ridiculous to try and fit at T2 alone, for example - CNR.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#11 - 2014-01-15 20:44:34 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
Personally I don't understand why people use faction/deadspace tanking mods on level 4 PVE fits all.


and there are those of us who would wonder why you would ever not use any. You do get something for your money. Like being able to dedicate less slots to tanking, or getting a more cap efficient tank, or having longer capacitor life, or longer overheat time. You also can fly your ship with less of a mind to incoming damage, i guess. There's also a lot of CPU to be saved. Faction/deadpsace tank is also a boon when omnitanking.

You do have a point though, given 200m in mods to fit a machariel, i might get better performance spending the money on faction damage mods and using a t2 tank. But still its a question of 3% more dps vs 25% better/stronger/bigger tank for the same amount of isk. Speaking as someone who missions occasionally and doesn't know them all particularly well, I guess I feel better with the 25% stronger tank (but really i just choose both Big smile because I don't mission near gankville)

also this:
Morrigan LeSante wrote:

Because some birds are utterly ridiculous to try and fit at T2 alone, for example - CNR.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-01-15 21:43:32 UTC
Because people grind missions and get them very easily from LP stores.
Buying a CN on the market is pretty fail though.

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Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2014-01-15 23:52:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Because some birds are utterly ridiculous to try and fit at T2 alone, for example - CNR.

To me that sounds like a good reason to not fly a CNR. But then again I am not much of a mission runner and I am not a fan of missiles for PVE.

I just feel that if you need more tank than what T2 provides for a normal level 4 mission you are doing something wrong with regards to your DPS or your trigger/aggro management. Especially in the era of MJDs and bastion mode.

I guess the sentry domi has just made me lazy and incompetent in all other styles of PVE.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#14 - 2014-01-16 01:21:53 UTC
when playing in eft I'd probably pick a CN invlun over a DG just because. that said in game I'd go DG all the way. also that being said I probably wouldn't actually use either in game, as faction invluns are gank bait. and if I was fitting a super I'd probably use deadspace.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#15 - 2014-01-16 02:52:28 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
I probably wouldn't actually use either in game, as faction invluns are gank bait.


But faction invulns are just... so goddamn good.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-01-16 04:46:56 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Heh, what else are you gonna spend the ISK on anyway?

More ships? You can only fly one at a time.

That being said, I'd rather fit up Deadspace mods gained from Pirate NPC drop's than work my arse off grinding LP's for inferior Faction mods.



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Judas Lonestar
Stryker Industries
Stryker Group
#17 - 2014-01-16 06:34:25 UTC
Some people might look at LP as "free" so dont think about the isk value of it, which would make the CN Invul appear to be cheaper than the DG Invul.

Same as "I mined the ore, so its free!' mindset you see in the indy boys.
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-01-16 08:11:25 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Because some birds are utterly ridiculous to try and fit at T2 alone, for example - CNR.

To me that sounds like a good reason to not fly a CNR. But then again I am not much of a mission runner and I am not a fan of missiles for PVE.

I just feel that if you need more tank than what T2 provides for a normal level 4 mission you are doing something wrong with regards to your DPS or your trigger/aggro management. Especially in the era of MJDs and bastion mode.

I guess the sentry domi has just made me lazy and incompetent in all other styles of PVE.


I just picked that one because it sprung to mind. I've perfect fitting skills (save launcher rigging 4/5) and it's simply not possible to do a pure T2 traditional fit without fitting help. Granted it got worse when they gave it an extra mid AND launcher and no more CPU to work with....but I digress, the point was more it may be for fitting reasons as opposed to anything else, especially where DDAs are involved as there are no faction versions (usually the first things to go faction are damage mods).

Fleet phoon is another one which is tight as hell, faction the ass off it, or use fitting mods when going for max damage.
Aluka 7th
#19 - 2014-01-16 08:27:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Aluka 7th
Maybe trying to do level 4 in tier 2 Tech 1 ship like Raven is problem and not CPU/POWER of ship itself.
I don't expect arbitrator to supply enough CPU/POWER for T2 fit but I do expect it from Curse or Pilgrim.
It is actually by design that Tech 1 ships have hard time fitting T2 modules.
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-01-16 11:50:59 UTC
You know what a CNR is, right?
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