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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2014-02-14 22:19:52 UTC
You need to do a controlled experiment for these findings of yours to carry any weight I'm afraid. Visit that sleeper site in the same ship, with the same crew, same modules, same time of day, same flight patterns, everything. Do that over the course of time. Record all data no matter how trivial for analysis.

Then, do the same thing with a different sleeper site as your control group, if you get different results, try to determine what was different about this site than the last one.

I look forward to your findings, however until the scientific method is properly adhered to, I'm afraid I'll have to dismiss your current results as a mere fluke. That said, I do sincerely wish for your research to be successful.

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Dreygun
Alexylva Paradox
#62 - 2014-02-14 22:52:07 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
You need to do a controlled experiment for these findings of yours to carry any weight I'm afraid. Visit that sleeper site in the same ship, with the same crew, same modules, same time of day, same flight patterns, everything. Do that over the course of time. Record all data no matter how trivial for analysis.

Then, do the same thing with a different sleeper site as your control group, if you get different results, try to determine what was different about this site than the last one.

I look forward to your findings, however until the scientific method is properly adhered to, I'm afraid I'll have to dismiss your current results as a mere fluke. That said, I do sincerely wish for your research to be successful.



The experiment was completed multiple times, in multiple systems, by multiple capsuleers. We ran it using a variety of ships, damage types, and ranges. It was no fluke. A full detailed report will be given at such time that it is properly declassified which should be here very shortly. The AI glitch has now been corrected which is the primary source of interest to me, as it suggests further intelligence than previous attributed to the drones.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#63 - 2014-02-14 22:58:34 UTC
The reason I asked is that there was a report of increased sensor abilities from the Sleeper drones, as well as reports that they were utilizing a few different tactics, such as different warp-in locations.

I personally tried to duplicate the intitial findings with no success. However, I did my testing in hi-sec with rogue drones after it was reported to have similar effect on them. I tried variations of cloaking, drone deployment, and ranges. At one point I was over 400km away with drones still targeting and chasing me. The only thing I didn't try was warping in at ranges greater than 150km.

With that said, it's already been reported that the Sleepers have adapted and so gathering further information is impossible at this point.

Sure, this could have been done with a more scientific approach from the beginning but, regardless, the information still has some merits. It's unfortunate the Sleepers adapted before more information was gathered. However, it's possible the rogue drones did not, and if they did adapt it could hint at some sort of bond between AIs.

-Eran
Dreygun
Alexylva Paradox
#64 - 2014-02-14 23:21:07 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
The reason I asked is that there was a report of increased sensor abilities from the Sleeper drones, as well as reports that they were utilizing a few different tactics, such as different warp-in locations.

I personally tried to duplicate the intitial findings with no success. However, I did my testing in hi-sec with rogue drones after it was reported to have similar effect on them. I tried variations of cloaking, drone deployment, and ranges. At one point I was over 400km away with drones still targeting and chasing me. The only thing I didn't try was warping in at ranges greater than 150km.

With that said, it's already been reported that the Sleepers have adapted and so gathering further information is impossible at this point.

Sure, this could have been done with a more scientific approach from the beginning but, regardless, the information still has some merits. It's unfortunate the Sleepers adapted before more information was gathered. However, it's possible the rogue drones did not, and if they did adapt it could hint at some sort of bond between AIs.

-Eran


The classified nature of the issue prevented me from being able to spread the specific of this AI targeting failure to full scientific community. However, I plan to give a full debriefing soon that will explain in detail the nature of the glitch. You are correct CONCORDs recent press release is in reference to the sleepers adapting to the glitch I discovered, I hope that provides further support that I didn't just make all this up or that is was some sort of fluke. I can only give you the utmost assurances that the detail to be released were thoroughly vetted within our private research teams.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#65 - 2014-02-14 23:45:23 UTC
Thoroughly vetted within your private research teams...Except by Stitcher who chose to chide you publicly. Shame on him.

And yes, I understood why you limited the information and, despite that, believed you were truthful.

Looking forward to the public release.

-Eran
Dreygun
Alexylva Paradox
#66 - 2014-02-15 00:05:08 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
Thoroughly vetted within your private research teams...Except by Stitcher who chose to chide you publicly. Shame on him.

And yes, I understood why you limited the information and, despite that, believed you were truthful.

Looking forward to the public release.

-Eran


Stitcher I believe is upset that I released data publicly without vetting the release itself with the corp. We prefer to filter all releases through the corporation the be sure it fits with what we want presented. I got excited and spilled the information with only a cursory release from out CEO. I probably should have waited which is why I am refraining from publishing the full report till I get the corporations full approval.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#67 - 2014-02-15 00:34:40 UTC
Dreygun wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
Thoroughly vetted within your private research teams...Except by Stitcher who chose to chide you publicly. Shame on him.

And yes, I understood why you limited the information and, despite that, believed you were truthful.

Looking forward to the public release.

-Eran


Stitcher I believe is upset that I released data publicly without vetting the release itself with the corp. We prefer to filter all releases through the corporation the be sure it fits with what we want presented. I got excited and spilled the information with only a cursory release from out CEO. I probably should have waited which is why I am refraining from publishing the full report till I get the corporations full approval.


I understand...it was only teasing.

-Eran
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#68 - 2014-02-15 11:37:06 UTC
The sleepers fell asleep.

They had a nightmare in which they were unable to move despite being pursued.

Then they woke up.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#69 - 2014-02-15 12:51:31 UTC
Dreygun wrote:
The experiment was completed multiple times, in multiple systems, by multiple capsuleers. We ran it using a variety of ships, damage types, and ranges. It was no fluke. A full detailed report will be given at such time that it is properly declassified which should be here very shortly. The AI glitch has now been corrected which is the primary source of interest to me, as it suggests further intelligence than previous attributed to the drones.


And as i've been trying to tell you we haven't passed any threshold of statistical rigor that would stand up in a credible scientific journal.

I admire your enthusiasm, kirjuun, but you're far to eager to declare that you know what's going on before accounting for all the variables. Peer review and caution are hallmarks of the scientific method and I'm telling you that we have not - yet - conclusively proven why Ghosting seemed to work and now doesn't.

I agree that it's a reasonable and even likely hypothesis, but I wish you'd stop declaring as fact what we haven't yet investigated to a sufficient standard.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Nicolas Merovech
Doomheim
#70 - 2014-02-15 18:58:40 UTC
Dreygun wrote:
Nicolas Merovech wrote:
If the Sleeper's internal processes can be tricked by a simple "technique" then perhaps they are far more rudimentary than we thought. A true AI or Infomorphic intelligence is able to adapt to unknown circumstances and function normally. If this report is accurate, then it suggests Sleepers are more in line with combat utility drones, or a virtual intelligence. A fascinating implication, but inconclusive at best. This technique must be tested thoroughly and it's results meticulously recorded.



I agree the sleeper drones are most certainly non sentient programed drones, the simplicity of their patterned attacks and reinforcement schedules are fair proof of this. This more impressive implication of this finding is that after a period of time they adapted to small scale glitch in their targeting AI. A glitch that if applied by the large scale capsuleer community would have been certainly devastating to them. This suggests planning, forethought, strategy analysis, and large scale adaptability. They don't adapt to our normal tactics for destroying them but they choose to adapt to a tactic that has only been used by a few isolated instances but if applied wide scale would devastate them. I believe this is very strong evidence of a sentient controller who if not actively controlling the drones is at least monitoring them at intermittent intervals.


I concur with your hypothesis of a "sentient controller." The nature of this entity must be ascertained if we are to understand and learn from the Sleeper civilization.

Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Ph. D, M.D.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2014-02-15 23:40:18 UTC
One of my majors in the Center for Advance studies was Drone AI. Unsurprisingly, we are the best at that field. I suggest you turn in your findings to them for expert analysis.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!