Assembly Hall

Okay, so first things first. I would like to thank members of the CSM who have taken time out of their busy schedules to take a look into my mind for a bit, as well as thanks for the comments into the "behind-the-scenes" ideas.

Secondly, I did not realize that the fanbase of both this forum (and mittani's) would suddenly be into this as they have. This idea, and as frank as I can explain, was more of a bit of flow-charting a bit of fan-fiction I'm currently working on added to the idea of new subscribers not finding a reason to stay past their first year.

So, what would drive a new player into doing anything other than flying noobships and shooting rocks?

It got me thinking, "Why do I EVE?" ( << Not a typo)

Then, "Why should others EVE?" ( << Also not a typo)

It made me think of every hook that makes me want to play games, but EVE's new player startup missions were SEVERELY LACKING. Have you gone back to your roots and tried the newbie missions as a high-skilled player? It's as bad as trying to sit through the entire music video of Rebecca Black's "Fridays".

What do I find in WoW (yes i play, STFU)?
The grind is horrible but the storyline is beautiful, as are the landscapes.

What do I play Borderlands for?
Once again, the grind is horrible, but the camaraderie with a group Is amusing at times.

What makes Minecraft fun?
Well... Imagination.
(...and the grind is horrible)

Once you get past the BIG PICTURE, you start seeing this idea start to pester the players who always seem to have the best stance on the topic. Half the subscribed players think the other half is cannon fodder waiting to be exploited, but the smaller half have mixed ideas about what to think. Some are, "nullseccers are evil so stay in highsec." Some are "pirates and scams are terribad, but It'll never happen to me." And lastly some are, "as long as i can safely shoot these rocks and make isk, i don't care."

Forcing new players into E-Uni sounds like a good idea in the long run, but it would require a "corporation rebalancing" to take place. You don't believe me? How big can a corporation be? How many players is CCP looking to sign up?
A few hundred, no problem. A few thousand? Little difficult. Tens of thousands? Um, things are getting out of hand. A million? Please sto- Tens of millions?

Well, we're not WoW, so i think trying to break half a million subs should be a main focus. But if EVE can somehow "break the bank" and we can login to find that there's now 100k+ people on almost ALL the time, things will perk up. Economics will see greater fluctuations. Nations (not really alliances anymore) will rise to power or fade from existence. CCP would have to increase their War Server shards by 300% for new bouts of combat springing up all over.

Also, i'm out of good vodka. Kool-Aid is keeping me going, though.

Also, at the end Aura should say:

"Now you felt how real EVE looks like. It's up to you to decide whether you want to experience that feeling again, or you would rather spend your EVE career as a cowardly highsec carebear whose only purpose is to grind for ISK."

Awesomesauce idea +1

I like the idea, but you should make it a simulation, a training for new pod pilots while their first clone is being prepared. There would be too much stretch from the reality and it could really drive away people by making them think they will go back to a rookie character if they die.
Also, a lot of people that tried other MMOs with personal stories are TIRED of starting as someone powerful / a hero / someone with a great destiny / etc...So yeah a smiluation would do the trick perfectly.

By the way, three points :
1- The whole thing of having your original body terminated and waking up in your first clone when you start a character is not exploited at all, whereas it could be an easy and interesting way of introducting people with the harshness of New Eden and Eve storyline.

2- Any form of "epic introduction" should see a rewamp of the whole tutoriel to ensure that players are not dissapointed by what they see next, and the lack of action they might get while learning stuff.

3- There is no need to commit on making the most epic scripted experience possible. Just make something realistic that gives a teaser of what is Eve one you are not a rookie anymore. More would bring dissapointment and the feeling that CCP is lying to its new subscribers.

Starting them off in a battleship is a terrible idea because then they will want to race for one and will lose it because they lack the skills.

Since it's a scripted fight, civilian modules could be used to simulate different activities; modules that are effectively useless but work for the intro. The pilot's ship could also be civilian-esque. CCP could easily create a battle cruiser with no pre-reqs but has about 1000 ehp. This could also open up the option of letting a new pilot choose a role for the fight like logistics or tackler.

Another point of failure would be the real corporations and how to connect to them. New players won't have a clue on how to get connected with the Coalitions and Null Sec alliances. If the tutorial linked to RvB or EvE Uni, that might help some.

I like this concept a lot.

I am not sure how is it feasible from technical standpoint. I, but it would be great if something like that was implemented. This scenarios can be also used to teach players about tackling, ewar, logi and all kind of stuff.

Well, has anyone looked at World of Warcraft lately?

The first races (representing the vanilla & 2nd expansions) were played normally. We can attribute this to EVE's first decade, such as showing off player models, factions, and warfare.

The third expansion to World of Warcraft (and every expansion after) hooked players with characters that went on a "mini-quest of epic proportions", basically their first ten levels were a giant epic moving storyline before they entered the "full world" of the game. Using a "phasing" technology, they [Blizzard] allowed players on different parts of the mission's line not to interact with each other. (but you could still chat IF someone out there was willing to talk.) I mean, you're doing a quest of unbelievable size, the visuals can stay with you long after you're done. We can view this as where CCP would like to go with EVE in the second decade. Sure, the capsuleers ARE taking over, but if things in EVE are represented by an overhanging cliff on the skills chart, we (not just the nullseccers) are going to need help from new players with a desire to strive for bigger and better but also has actually flown large fleet encounters.

Why not have both? (remember that one eve sandbox video?) Start like that.


1 - Helping the miner fight off rats brings up a new avenue. A small gang warps in and convos you to join them on patrol.
2 - Killing the miner brings up a smaller avenue. A Pirate gang approaches and invites you to go explore a wormhole with them.
3 - Warping away brings up a different avenue. An exploration ship contacts you as it warps into your next location. There's money to be made on exploration sites.

1 - On patrol, your gang defends space. Shoot some rats here, a (npc) frigate cruiser there, new tutorial on gun/ship types and resistances. Your gang meets up with other patrols and suddenly something happens that escalates quickly. (Asakai?)
2 - While in the wormhole, your choices affect what the pirates do, killing others and setting up mobile extraction units. A fight in the wormhole escalates out of control and you start seeing t3 cruisers entering the brawl. Player is told to escape through the wormhole marked on the HUD. Unfortunately, the WH exit leads to the fight in Player 1's route.
3 - Your exploration is well attempted as you learn some ins and outs of probes. A tutorial of using and setting up probes (not launched by you) is used to show how to probe out things. Player N is able to play around with the probing until they have found: a relic site, a sanctum/haven, and an asteroid field. Local spikes and the Player is told to use the probes to scan out the ships. A tooltip can be used to show the difference between probe types. Upon scanning down these new ships, player is asked to warp.

1 - War is hell. The fight is escalating quickly but the player is shown tooltips on shooting the primarys called by others. Ships are cynoing in slowly, from frigates to cruisers and up (base hulls only, don't want veterans getting any ideas) Player is told to help take down the cynoing ship. Taking it down is fun, but another cyno starts bringing in capital ships. Player can either join in or fly around these GIANT monsters until something (laser, gun missle, smartbomb) takes them down.
2 - Same as above, only as a pirate gang, the player is told to stay calm and shoot everyone.
3- Same as Player 1, only as a noncombattant player can fly around the battle but a random ship targets and blows them away.

Wake up with a (fake) killmail telling the player what happened and explains the outcome of the fight. Tutorial about difference between caps and subcaps can be used but tooltips can suffice. CONGRATS! You can now EVE.

I like this idea alot and I agree with those that said to let the person try different things

Maybe start out in a frig and kill some small rats, get picked up by a gang and go roaming, then someone batphones your group so you reship to a BS/BC and are jumped into a huge fight!

Why think singular?

IF the battleship tutorial did well you could have an option of other ones in the same battle.

Here is a tackler

Here is a logi

etc.

They would not pay off in grind type benefits but could offer an array of possibilities. The reason I think it would be better than a video is the interactivity. People learn better by doing than by listening and or watching.

Keep each 'experience' short so that the person may do another or move on.

If you wanted to really make it special, tie it to famous or infamous battles of Eve Lore or player Lore

Asakai, luminaire, the early incursions live events

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