EVE General Discussion

I like you ... for now. ^^

God bless people like you.

Excellent attitude.

That is not 100% true. A bored group can gank t2 fit battleships with Destroyers and Sometimes get on the profit side even.. as long as the Battleship does not have a DC II.

The problem is nto on the ammoutn of ganking, is on how pefious the consequences for the gankers are.


My view is that criminality in eve is a facade. PEople PRetend to be proud of it, but they payt heir way out of negative sec within hours. IF you are a criminal, be a criminal. If I was in charge you would be ble to recover sec status only 7 days after last time you lost sec status.


It woudl be less exploitable, more "realistic" and would bring ganking back to the main level of eve where action have consequences (no, loosing a destroyer is NOT a consequence). As of now is cheaper to gank peopel in high sec than to war dec andhunt them, and easier and more effective. THe mechanics shoudl be balanced. IF wars were made easier to match same level as ganking, they would cost 5 mil only..

This is cyclical. Up now, down later, circle 'round again.

If it gets out of control, CCP will nerf something, or buff something else. Nothing to get worried about.

People usually leave quite quickly when they come into my missions. Maybe it's the 3 MJD, drone assisted T2 Sentry Domi with RR in the high slots that deter them from messing with me, or maybe I am just not worthy of a gank. Even put out a MTU, and they don't bother it.

You must be lying, someone who can actually think and understand the game can't possibly be a high sec dweller. Therefore post with you main (lol).

More seriously, I'm with you (except where you talk about ganking, i have never ganked, the closest I came was flying a cheap torp raven in a gank fleet 2 years ago and we never even fired a shot, so my gank cherry remains unbusted).

Even as a PVE player it's important to know the game and understand that 'gankers' are just playing the game. I spend time and energy avoiding getting ganked (i mission in Lanngisi). Yet I have way more respect for the gankers who are just playing the game as it allows (like the guys slappin hoes in grand theft auto) than i do for the people who fly blinged out mission ships that don't perform much better than a mostly t2 fit version. Wonder of all wonders, they get ganked for being stupid and some of them run right to the forums and cry rather than learn why what they did was dumb.

Fedos.

Well actually, if highsec was "removed" such that there was "no safety" it would become just as risky for the gankers to be there and we would see a separation of the true PVPers from the "gankbears".

But how safe you are in highsec is really governed more by how much ISK you are worth, either in loot drop or KB "green" and how much ISK it will take to kill you than any safety measures or Concord.

There are many a tale of hauler, poorly tanked or not, killed because it had enough loot in it to justify the cost of killing it. This is referring to those who see their goal being ISK.

For example, if I have a hauler that is not tanked such that it would take one destroyer to suicide gank it (roughly 2-5 million ISK depending on skills of the ganker and market prices of turrets) and put in say 50 million ISK worth of stuff, then it's worthy enough to suicide gank, and a perfectly legitimate target too.

If I take the same ship, and tank it, so that in the amount of time it would take to kill it in highsec would require a tier 3 battle cruiser, now we are looking at anywhere from 70-80 million ISK to kill the hauler. A hauler with 50 million ISK of stuff in it is not a worthy target. If I take the same well-tanked hauler and load it with say, 500 million ISK worth of stuff, it's now once more profitable to suicide gank it.

Naturally the level of highsec that governs the Concord response also matters. So the value of the cargo PLUS the security status of the system may be the factor that tips the scale such that at say 0.9 space, it might take 2 ships to kill the hauler in time, but in 0.5 space, it could take only 1. So we can see cases of people getting suicide ganked who were already hauling in 0.7 or higher but get ganked trying to move to 0.5, and not knowing about response times, end up wondering why.

Even so, you never know who can pull what trick too. For example, how many cheap alpha frigates can still destroy a hauler that is too tough for a couple of destroyers but too cheap for a Tier 3 battle cruiser? Hence even so, it's best to be treating all gates like camps and using the MWD-CLOAK maneuver. And given that, a suicide gank is likely to be done to AFK haulers in many cases.

Leaving us with the "KB green" angle too - I recently saw a highsec gank of a Tech 3 strategic cruiser that was AFK. Funny thing was, the two players who did it with Tier 3 battle cruisers even said in local "Hey, an AFK Tengu!" and a few minutes later, they put a major load of ISK on their KB and from a 3rd party looting it, in their wallets too. Being AFK made the Tengu a perfectly legitimate target for these reasons.

Have a hard time buying that: Every time you go on a gank, it's a guarantee that, kill or no kill, your ship *will* be lost. Can't see how you could make that any more risky - It's 100% loss-of-ship-no-two-ways-about-it already.

I think this pretty much sums it up.

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