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Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#21 - 2014-01-13 23:40:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Omega Sunset
Arc'Los Xyn wrote:
lol i hear people say you can run combat sites with an assault frigate ?

Yeah I'm currently in the process of test flying a new build on hawk for that, lvl4 missions and combat sites. Just waiting for my AF skill to tick up one more. I've had a lot of success with the Hookbill, but the AF fits a bit better.

J'Poll wrote:


Well, I now have to reply to it.

First, the no ECM module rule is in place for a reason...there is no fun in being blown up while perma jammed all the time.
True, it ain't a good comparison with the rest of PvP in EVE, but neither is FW (or does every bit of PvP in EVE requires you to carry 3 scrams because everything is warp stabbed to the max???)

As for where you can and can't fight....that's simple:

Can't: Jita
Can: Look at system name, does it say anything but Jita....your fine.


And RvB doesn't have a real rank system. The rules are there to provide everybody with as much fun fights as possible. The ranks they have...well unless you want to do special stuff like recruiting, being team leader etc. they are optional.

Still not realistic. Not even practicing counter measures or tactics against jammers. I'll just say... Maaaatt Daaamooonnn... heh, as in dumb. But other than that, *shrugs* RvB fits for some peeps.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-01-13 23:45:20 UTC
Omega Sunset wrote:
Arc'Los Xyn wrote:
lol i hear people say you can run combat sites with an assault frigate ?

Yeah I'm currently in the process of test flying a new build on hawk for that, lvl4 missions and combat sites. Just waiting for my AF skill to tick up one more. I've had a lot of success with the Hookbill, but the AF fits a bit better.

J'Poll wrote:


Well, I now have to reply to it.

First, the no ECM module rule is in place for a reason...there is no fun in being blown up while perma jammed all the time.
True, it ain't a good comparison with the rest of PvP in EVE, but neither is FW (or does every bit of PvP in EVE requires you to carry 3 scrams because everything is warp stabbed to the max???)

As for where you can and can't fight....that's simple:

Can't: Jita
Can: Look at system name, does it say anything but Jita....your fine.


And RvB doesn't have a real rank system. The rules are there to provide everybody with as much fun fights as possible. The ranks they have...well unless you want to do special stuff like recruiting, being team leader etc. they are optional.

Still not realistic. Not even practicing counter measures or tactics against jammers. I'll just say... Maaaatt Daaamooonnn... heh, as in dumb. But other than that, *shrugs* RvB fits for some peeps.


Obviously never flown with RvB I see.

If you did, you would know that ECM is used...against the many 3rd party wars.
And so is counters to them.

Or during special weekends where it's allowed
Or on null-sec roams.

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Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#23 - 2014-01-13 23:53:39 UTC
J'Poll wrote:


Obviously never flown with RvB I see.

If you did, you would know that ECM is used...against the many 3rd party wars.
And so is counters to them.

Or during special weekends where it's allowed
Or on null-sec roams.
Speaking of what RvB does within it's own play-style, which is primarily RvB. No I'm not an RvB recruiter. Yes in this case of the OP I far more recommend FW. I've recommended RvB, but not in this case.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#24 - 2014-01-14 00:07:35 UTC
Oh and speaking of RVB, if you want hilarity, join them, then fit a smartbombing battleship and put it in a station in a system where they are fighting. Then, rock up to a fleet fight in a frigate, and on losing your ship, reship into your smartbombing battleship, come back, and set off the smartbombs.

You may well be able to get 10-20 ships and pods, although you'll never be welcome in RVB again.

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Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#25 - 2014-01-14 01:29:05 UTC
Arc'Los Xyn wrote:
it would be fun to be a tackle frigate .. or once i can afford an interceptor and the proper skills for piloting one..

Oh and reason I suggest FW is since you like plexing, which is a big part of FW. And yes, you will find the interceptor very useful in that theater. Secondary, probably stealth bombers since anyway if you go for a T2 explorer which will be a minimal SP dump to bombers apart from torpedoes which can take a little time. Though bomber is not a primary role so interceptor first. Long term goals, but T1's are very common, so don't feel you need to gain a lot of SP to start.

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Arc'Los Xyn
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2014-01-14 16:14:15 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
reserved

Arc'Los Xyn wrote:
1. I am considering FW or RVB .... i understand abit about FW from reading the EvE uni info.. but I don't know if i want organized military life in EvE.. ( I was in the USMC as a scout/rifleman.. that uniform is done ! )
Can someone here tell me what the RED ten is about and the BLUE team ? i read tier site. its basically one corp split into 2 teams for fun .. PvP anywhere ?

Basically...




If you are good, being a probe scanner will get you into almost any PvP fleet (note: you will be basically volunteering for "scout" duty though).

As far as fitting is concerned...

There are 4 aspects when fitting a ship;
- speed
- tank
- damage
- utility

Now choose 2.5 of those.

EVE is a game rooted in trade-offs. You can never have "everything at the same time"... rather, you must choose what you need and try to adapt your tactics accordingly.
If you DO try to "fit everything" then the trade-off is that you will be less effective overall compared to any ship that choose to focus on certain aspects.
The same principle holds true with almost every aspect of EVE. Never "mix" tanking styles... don't use "rainbow" weapons/ammo... etc.

Arc'Los Xyn wrote:
3. I live in a small apartment with my Girlfriend and dog. so personal space and quiet is our best friend.. a girlfriend who lets me play a video game for 2 hours a night after i get home is frelling awesome !!!!!!!
but the downside is.. i may never be ble to yell and talk/laugh on a mic or headset will this hurt my chances of being in a corps ?

It's perfectly fine to be one of the "quiet" people... just understand that you will be teased for it and won't be able to be the Fleet Commander or Scout if all you can do is type.

2 more things...
1. The Farscape is strong with you. Kudos.
2. Where can I too find a "unicorn" like yours? (assuming you didn't just put googly eyes and a wig on your sock)

Arc'Los Xyn wrote:
4. will anyone frown upon me if i prefer to stick to only frigates and T1 cruisers ? i just don't think i really want to pilot those huge ships.. i like the speed and look of buzzing about trying' to survive against terrible odds and playing David vs. Goliath ( i've lots 4 destroyers , 2 cruisers , 6 frigates so far trying to fight in places i should have asked for help in).

Check out my killboard. After 4-5 years I still mostly fly Tech 1 frigates, destroyers, and cruisers with the occasional Tech 2 stuff. If you learn how to fly them and pick your battles, they can be very deadly.


hehe ! such great info thanks so much for you taking your time to give such concise answer to my noobie questionnaire . Lol !

Ah yeah I enjoyed watching Farscape ( one of my co-workers is /was the concept artist for 2 seasons of the show )
we both wished Farscape & Serenity both kept on going or had new life brought to them.

as for the " Unicorn" like where most unexpected things come from.. in the places you don't look !
I met my GF actually out of random total chance.. and in the moment of me not trying to be cool and just honestly being me.. we both found out we had a connection! I normally wouldn't blurt out random opinions when i meet someone for the first time.. but i had been so comfortable in talking to her that in our first meeting i made comment about how i was tired of hollywood re-making classic movies into recycled shiny "POO" ( edited for content.. lol ! )
I KNEW i had the right girl walk into my life when she said : " Oh yeah.. if they ever even think of trying to remake The Matrix, heads are gonna roll ! " Big smile

and as for piloting ships... GREAT ! I love me a game where player skill is a larger factor than in-game character skill !


Omega Sunset
Omega Sunset wrote:

Posted: 2014.01.14 01:29

Arc'Los Xyn wrote:
it would be fun to be a tackle frigate .. or once i can afford an interceptor and the proper skills for piloting one..

Oh and reason I suggest FW is since you like plexing, which is a big part of FW. And yes, you will find the interceptor very useful in that theater. Secondary, probably stealth bombers since anyway if you go for a T2 explorer which will be a minimal SP dump to bombers apart from torpedoes which can take a little time. Though bomber is not a primary role so interceptor first. Long term goals, but T1's are very common, so don't feel you need to gain a lot of SP to start.


ya the interceptor frigates are really cool looking to me both in roles and aesthetics... I also am very curious about how your HAWK will work on level 4 missions ! please keep me updated ? ! thank you !

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#27 - 2014-01-14 21:22:20 UTC
Arc'Los Xyn wrote:
Newbian Pilot lands in New Eden


What's a Newbian?

"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

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Arc'Los Xyn
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2014-01-14 22:23:15 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Arc'Los Xyn wrote:
Newbian Pilot lands in New Eden


What's a Newbian?



LOL ! thats priceles.. lol especially the Lando Calrisian comments.. rofl

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#29 - 2014-01-14 22:41:53 UTC
Welcome, newbian one. Big smile

Be sure n' put wormhole exploration on your agenda sometime.

Have funnnnn o/

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Arc'Los Xyn
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2014-01-14 22:44:35 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Welcome, newbian one. Big smile

Be sure n' put wormhole exploration on your agenda sometime.

Have funnnnn o/


i did go into one recently !
it had 16 sites.. all of which i quickly chickened out of trying to explore.. i book marked it.. and asked if nyone wanted the site.. but no one trusted me and wouldn't take it. *shrug*

what can i do realistically in a wormhole at under 2 months of age in EvE ?

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Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#31 - 2014-01-14 22:45:36 UTC
Arc'Los Xyn wrote:


ya the interceptor frigates are really cool looking to me both in roles and aesthetics... I also am very curious about how your HAWK will work on level 4 missions ! please keep me updated ? ! thank you !

Oh it'll do it, just the very slow part is breaking battleships. lvl4's are usually saturated with frigs and cruisers, and the hawk will cut those down fast, even the elites. Then it's just a matter of having enough DPS to work down the BS. Some missions can have 15 BS's in one pocked ...I won't be doing those with any frig hehe. But this is for solo and few BS's, though it's more fun to do them with other players for lvl4's or lvl5's, but just to do it and make build adjustments on a new ship. I have a recent thread in the missions forum, I don't know if I'll post any results there but I might.


Newbian? I don't even need to look at the link, it most likely leads to a SW video hah.

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Arc'Los Xyn
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2014-01-14 22:51:44 UTC
hmmn i'm looking at tech 2 destroyers.. most notably. the ERIS since it has both hybrid turret and launcher slots.. is this a good ship to use for PvP/PvE stuff ? like combat sites ? i don't quite know what an interdiction bubble does.. i know whats its suppose to do.. but i haven't experienced it yet anyhow . are tees ships Super expensive ? the skills list for interdictor look like they would also benefit most anything i do anyhow

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#33 - 2014-01-14 23:46:40 UTC
Good for you! Jumping in the deep end Blink

Arc'Los Xyn wrote:
what can i do realistically in a wormhole at under 2 months of age in EvE ?

Solo? Nothing really. You'll likely just end up popped by sleepers at the first site you warp to and/or murdered by the locals.

But in a group, or with alts? You could still scout, probe, salvage or haul. Smile

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Arc'Los Xyn
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2014-01-15 00:09:21 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Good for you! Jumping in the deep end Blink

Arc'Los Xyn wrote:
what can i do realistically in a wormhole at under 2 months of age in EvE ?

Solo? Nothing really. You'll likely just end up popped by sleepers at the first site you warp to and/or murdered by the locals.

But in a group, or with alts? You could still scout, probe, salvage or haul. Smile


ok.. say i get stuck in a wormhole .. my ship is blown up.. and there's only NPCs... i know NPCs don't pod kill.. how do i get back out to known space if i'm in a distant unknown wormhole space ?
I ask cause maybe tonite i just wanna try how long i can survive in one.. or keep scanning tip i find a different way to a different solar system

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#35 - 2014-01-15 00:18:58 UTC
Arc'Los Xyn wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
Good for you! Jumping in the deep end Blink

Arc'Los Xyn wrote:
what can i do realistically in a wormhole at under 2 months of age in EvE ?

Solo? Nothing really. You'll likely just end up popped by sleepers at the first site you warp to and/or murdered by the locals.

But in a group, or with alts? You could still scout, probe, salvage or haul. Smile


ok.. say i get stuck in a wormhole .. my ship is blown up.. and there's only NPCs... i know NPCs don't pod kill.. how do i get back out to known space if i'm in a distant unknown wormhole space ?
I ask cause maybe tonite i just wanna try how long i can survive in one.. or keep scanning tip i find a different way to a different solar system

Bookmarks my friend, BOOKMARKS. Big smile

As soon as you jump into a hole bookmark that exit. First priority.

Thus if you lose your ship you can still warp to the exit using your bookmark.

However if the exit has collapsed you'll need to scan down the new one. If you're in a pod then you're ******. Either self destruct to get out, or ask in local to see if anyone will help you. Chances are they'll just kill you, but it's always worth a try.

Gimme a shout ingame if you see me on and want a relatively safe tour of a couple wormhole systems. I love introducing people to my favorite part of EVE.

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Arc'Los Xyn
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2014-01-15 00:30:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Arc'Los Xyn
ok.. hmmn so i can self destruct my pod ? if so .. i can use that as a last resort.. then no problem ! i don't have a lot of SP.. it won't matter after all really, if i end up getting pod killed ! Imma do it tonite !!! maybe in a rookie ship. or something small that can hold at least probe launchers

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Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#37 - 2014-01-15 00:38:10 UTC
Arc'Los Xyn wrote:
hmmn i'm looking at tech 2 destroyers.. most notably. the ERIS since it has both hybrid turret and launcher slots.. is this a good ship to use for PvP/PvE stuff ? like combat sites ? i don't quite know what an interdiction bubble does.. i know whats its suppose to do.. but i haven't experienced it yet anyhow . are tees ships Super expensive ? the skills list for interdictor look like they would also benefit most anything i do anyhow
Only problem is light rail-guns are sort of cruddy now, apart from maybe a snipe fitting. But you can go with blasters which are overused now... again, and probably better on that ship anyway along with rockets. My alt has all the racial destroyers, but I've never felt the need for interdictors, that being more about gate camping etc. So I can't give you much info beyond that.

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Arc'Los Xyn
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2014-01-15 00:41:43 UTC
Omega Sunset wrote:
Arc'Los Xyn wrote:
hmmn i'm looking at tech 2 destroyers.. most notably. the ERIS since it has both hybrid turret and launcher slots.. is this a good ship to use for PvP/PvE stuff ? like combat sites ? i don't quite know what an interdiction bubble does.. i know whats its suppose to do.. but i haven't experienced it yet anyhow . are tees ships Super expensive ? the skills list for interdictor look like they would also benefit most anything i do anyhow
Only problem is light rail-guns are sort of cruddy now, apart from maybe a snipe fitting. But you can go with blasters which are overused now... again, and probably better on that ship anyway along with rockets. My alt has all the racial destroyers, but I've never felt the need for interdictors, that being more about gate camping etc. So I can't give you much info beyond that.


ya maybe someday i can link a fit with the blasters and rocket fits and see if it actually does any good with my skills by that time.. thank you !Lol

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#39 - 2014-01-15 01:41:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Erica Dusette
Arc'Los Xyn wrote:
ok.. hmmn so i can self destruct my pod ? if so .. i can use that as a last resort.. then no problem ! i don't have a lot of SP.. it won't matter after all really, if i end up getting pod killed ! Imma do it tonite !!! maybe in a rookie ship. or something small that can hold at least probe launchers

Sure. You can just right-click on your pod in space and select to self destruct, same as you would when in a ship.

Just ensure your clone is up to date before venturing into wormholes, and keep in mind that if you're podded you'll lose any implants your clone has at the time.

Take a scan frigate. An Imicus, Heron or something similar that gives scanning bonuses. It'll make scanning a lot faster and easier for you. Smile

Use a cloaking device on your ship. Staying cloaked when scanning or idling around will dramatically increase your chances of survival. Even a prototype cloaking device. If you don't yet have the skills to use one then I'd recommend it, they don't take too long to skill up to use.

And anticipate death anyway! Big smile

Personally I generally try not to pod kill newer characters (exception being obvious alts), as while I don't like 'trespassers' I still don't want to discourage newbros from exploring. If you're not comfy with the risk just yet, or simply can't afford the losses, then I'd say wait until your character is skilled enough, venture in with others, or even join a wormhole corp.

I'll drop you a mail with my online times, give you the opportunity to check out wormhole space, make a friend or two and learn a couple things without dying if you're interested. And maybe show you some impressive stuff (other than my avatar's award-winning legs) that might just get ya hooked on wormholes.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#40 - 2014-01-15 02:58:45 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Arc'Los Xyn wrote:
hmmn i'm looking at tech 2 destroyers.. most notably. the ERIS since it has both hybrid turret and launcher slots..

Just so you know... the wiki is a bit out of date. The Eris was changed into a more focused gunship.

Arc'Los Xyn wrote:
is this a good ship to use for PvP/PvE stuff ? like combat sites ?

Errrr... yes and no.

Can it doe PvE and PvP with the respectively correct fits? Yes. But its Tech 1 variant, the Catalyst, can do most of the same things (damage and tank) nearly as well for about 25% of the cost.

What you'll notice as you progress in EVE is that small, almost linear improvements often come at exponentially higher costs.

I'll give a comparison example:

(NOTE: what I'm posting here are what i consider to be "generic" PvP fits... they are not necessarily "optimal" and I'm using them purely for benchmark purposes)

[Eris, New Setup 1]

Damage Control II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II

Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
[empty high slot]

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Anti-Explosive Pump I


[Catalyst, New Setup 1]

Damage Control II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II

Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I


Stats (with all level 5 skills):

Eris:
- moves ~2000 m/sec
- has ~10,000 effective hit points
- deal ~325 damage per second @ ~1km optimal + ~1km falloff
- capacitor power lasts ~1 minute (~33 minutes with armor repair unit off).
- costs ~45-50 million ISK

Catalyst:
- moves ~1500 m/sec
- has ~9,000 effective hit points
- deal ~290 damage per second @ ~1km optimal + ~2.5km falloff
- capacitor power lasts ~50 seconds (~5 minutes with armor repair unit off).
- costs ~10 to 15 million ISK


In terms of pure stats... the Eris wins in all of them except range. However the Catalyst costs only 22-30% of what the Eris does.
If you have limited money, which would you prefer to bring into an engagement where your survival is uncertain?


Arc'Los Xyn wrote:
i don't quite know what an interdiction bubble does.. i know whats its suppose to do.. but i haven't experienced it yet anyhow.

Take a little "suicide" trip out into 0.0 space. That big "bubble" you will inevitably come across... the one you can't warp out from? That's what an interdiction bubble is!

Basically it's an "area-of-effect" warp disruptor that can only be used in 0.0 space (and wormholes). You can still use your MicroWarpdrive in it... but if someone else is there you won't get the chance (see: warp scrambler).


And yes... Tech 2 ships are what many strive for. But again, what they offer you can often get for far cheaper in Tech 1 ships.

I personally suggest dicking around in Tech 1 frigates and get used to the way they handle. Experiment with different fits and tactics... see what you feel most comfortable with.

How did you Veterans start?
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