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Does artificial cherry flavoring taste like paint thinner to everyone?

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-01-13 10:14:48 UTC
I like a lot of the so-called artificial flavorings in various candies, even though most of them don't really taste much like the thing they are supposed to taste like. Some of them taste like something else, some have a completely unique taste, and some are actually pretty accurate. But no variation of artificial cherry that I have ever put in my mouth has ever tasted to me even remotely like a food product. One of the variations tastes like that mouth-numbing dental creme with a hint of clove. One tastes like scented holiday candles. And one tastes like paint thinner or nail polish.

I have been told that artificial flavors are not extracts from food products but rather are manufactured benzene (not the petrol) molecules designed to mimic the naturally-occuring benzenes in the real food product. This baffles me further as to how they could get the flavor so wrong if the flavor is chemically identical to the real stuff. But how and why, then, is artificial cherry the only one that tastes like a volatile hydrocarbon while all the rest taste either like food or like concentrated happiness?

Also, artificial cherry and volatile hydrocarbons are among the few things of which to me the taste and smell are indistinct. I have heard tell of a phenomenon in which if a person plugs their nose, they cannot taste food. Apparently this is actually true for many people, but it is absolutely false for me as I have demonstrated plenty of times. Now many things taste and smell very similarly or almost identical, but volatile hydrocarbons and artificial cherry have a strange effect on my tongue, in which I honestly can't distinguish between my taste buds being stimulated versus my olfactory senses being stimulated. If I plug my nose and taste it, it is different...it is less.

Am I strange, or do other people find artificial cherry flavoring kind of awkward?

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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-01-13 10:41:24 UTC
I've never tasted paint thinner before, honest.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-01-13 10:43:13 UTC
they are about as similar as yours and my number of likes

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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-01-13 10:50:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
Lol, does that mean paint thinner tastes better than cherry flavour?

Your local paint thinner manufacturers must hate small children. Lol

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#5 - 2014-01-13 13:25:14 UTC
Cherry, grape, pineapple, and strawberry are the worst.

I try to avoid these and buy Italian hard candies when I can find them. Much better flavorings.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#6 - 2014-01-13 13:26:09 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
I've never tasted paint thinner before, honest.


But you have smelled it. That's what it tastes like. Derp.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#7 - 2014-01-13 14:51:09 UTC
i don't think so.

but it doesn't taste anything like real cherries lol.
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#8 - 2014-01-13 15:32:26 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Cherry, grape, pineapple, and strawberry are the worst.

I try to avoid these and buy Italian hard candies when I can find them. Much better flavorings.


'merica

We love our artificial sugar, flavorings and colorings.

While I don't know for sure I've been told in the past most candies and softdrinks made in other countries like ones in Europe use all natural ingredients.

Is this true?
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#9 - 2014-01-13 15:43:29 UTC
In my nephew's biochemistry class, the prof had them mix together three inorganic chemicals. The result was artificial grape flavoring-- smelled and tasted just like "grape" flavored candy. But it wasn't purple.

The worst to me is that fake watermelon flavoring. The food chemists need to do some further R&D on that one.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-01-13 16:02:31 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Debora Tsung wrote:
I've never tasted paint thinner before, honest.


But you have smelled it. That's what it tastes like. Derp.


Yeah, but the paint thiner we have here smells like petrol or some other highly flamable and very toxic stuff.

While our artificial cherry flavour tastes nothing like cherry OR paint thinner...

On second thought, maybe your local cherry flavoured candy manufacturers just love little children and want to protect them by making their candy taste like petrol so they don't eat to much sugary stuff... Straight

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#11 - 2014-01-13 16:04:56 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:


On second thought, maybe your local cherry flavoured candy manufacturers just love little children and want to protect them by making their candy taste like petrol so they don't eat to much sugary stuff... Straight


They have tasted this same horrible way for all 48 years of my life so far. No change.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-01-13 16:13:18 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Debora Tsung wrote:


On second thought, maybe your local cherry flavoured candy manufacturers just love little children and want to protect them by making their candy taste like petrol so they don't eat to much sugary stuff... Straight


They have tasted this same horrible way for all 48 years of my life so far. No change.


Lol, that's what I call commitment to a product by it's manufacturer. One would think they could have improved it at least by some degree in those 48 years.

I imagine it like this:

"Sir, weve menaged to improve our recipe for cherry flavoured candy."
"NO! Our cherry flavoured candy has tasted horrible for the last thirty years and it'll continue to be so for thirty more years!"

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.

Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-01-13 17:36:04 UTC
I heard on SciShow (youtube) that artificial banana flavoring does not taste like Cavendish bananas but that it tastes like Gros Michel bananas which are a cultivar that used to be the primary around the world but is now a rare variety and Cavendish is the primary. This happened when the Gros Michel cultivar was attacked by a disease--it and other cultivars are extremely vulnerable because they have zero genetic variation due to the way they are maintained.

I wonder if this applies to several other fruits, and if perhaps those artificial flavorings are really what various older cultivars actually tasted like. If so, I don't think I want to try those cherries.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-01-13 17:47:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Commissar Kate wrote:
While I don't know for sure I've been told in the past most candies and softdrinks made in other countries like ones in Europe use all natural ingredients.

Is this true?

Not a chance. The truth is that some of the poorer and less technologically advanced countries are forced to make candies with what they have available and are unable to fund the factories that would make the artificial sweeteners. All of them want to be using artificial sweeteners. Most European countries have access to these. You may find novelty and tourist shops that sell candies made with real fruit juice, but that is not to say there aren't just as many large factories nearby making huge quantities of artificial flavoring for the cheaper mass-produced candies at the local grocery.

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Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#15 - 2014-01-13 22:21:10 UTC
Not a problem here with cherry, most grape, pineapple, cotton candy, orange, lemon, most lime but absolutely never ever will banana flavored candies cross my lips.

But yes the human tongue can technically only sense, sweet, salty, bitter and sour

The following is taken from here and could explain why you still can taste better than other while pinching your nose while tasting.


Supertasters

It has been found that some people have more than the normal number of taste papillae (and taste buds). They are distinguished by their increased density of fungiform papillae and their exterme sensitivity to the chemical n-propylthiouracil (PROP). Supertasters - 25% of the population (and more women than men) - tend not to like green vegetables and fatty foods.


% of population *density of taste papillae cm-2
supertasters 25 165
normal tasters 50 127
non-tasters 25 117
* at the tip of the tongue (from Yackinous & Guinard, Appetite (2000) 38, 201-209).


Strange taste facts

Taste is mainly smell. Hold your nose, close your eyes, and try to tell the difference between coffee or tea, red or white wine, brandy or whisky. In fact, with blocked nose (clothes peg or similar) you can't tell the difference between grated apple and grated onion - try it! Of course, this is because what we often call taste is in fact flavour. Flavour is a combination of taste, smell, texture (touch sensation) and other physical features (eg. temperature).
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-01-13 23:05:12 UTC
I don't think I am a super taster. I like green vegetables and while they don't always have the most desirable texture (especially when coked), I do not taste any strong flavors in most of them. That is one reason I like them. I do not like strong flavors most of the time. I also like fatty meats when I have an apetite for fats--it has nothing to do with the taste. To me, fats do not have much taste at all. They taste more bland to me than most purified waters, I'm not kidding. I was surprised to find that some people actually like the taste of fats. "What taste?" was my reaction.

I don't think I am a non-taster. I taste many things and can distinguish differences between many differen tastes, even small differences sometimes, though my sense of taste isn't what I would call strong compared to other animals. My sense of taste isn't a lot more sensitive than my sense of smell.

I find the texture of detergents to be particularly distasteful, both literally and figuratively, in that not only do detergents reduce my ability to taste, they also have a texture-reducing effect that I particularly dislike. On top of that, they have a bit of their own flavor which I find thoroughly disgusting even though I can barely detect it. I have recently become able to notice the presence of detergents in several foods that I used to eat without problem, and I seem to be unique in my ability to detect these detergents. I know they are there, for in the greatest of concentrations the rainbow-colored persisting bubbles can clearly be seen, and suds can easily be generated by stirring the food. Careful cleaning of the dishes and handling of the ingredients, along with careful temperature controls has on numerous occasions demonstrated that there are chemical processes within the foods that cause the detergents to be created during the cooking process, primarily at high temperatures close to boiling and with large amounts of starches and relatively low amounts of water. It is most prevalent in home-cooking, or perhaps the seasonings in professional cooking mask its presence to me.

In any case, I know my tastes are unique in some ways, but I find it surprising that it is somehow established as fact that a person cannot taste anything they can't smell, when my own tastes are almost completely unaffected by my ability to smell. It's not as if tastes and smells are much different to me; on the contrary, while I sense them with different receptors, they evoke strikingly similar responses. Smelling a lot of things is like tasting the air with my nose. Often I know what something will taste like without ever tasting it because I have smelled it (that doesn't stop me from putting it on my tongue, though).

So I'm pretty sure I'm a "normal taster", though that is barely scratching the surface when it comes to outlining the ways my tastes are similar to or different from other humans.

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Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#17 - 2014-01-14 00:32:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Has your ability to taste without smell been tested in a double blind, peer reviewed and published scientific study Twisted

EDIT: People can taste without smell, they are just not able to detect the intricacies between items as effectively with smell, thus we have this, "people can not taste without smell" malarkey. Everyone can taste the above listed tastes without smell. It is just significantly more difficult to detect the nuances of flavors without smell, thus people are only able tell if something is bitter, sweet, sour, or salty when they can not smell....at least that is how the literature explains it.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-01-14 04:07:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
I did it in a double-blind, peer-reviwed study that I didn't publish, but only once. I used 5 substances that were all approximately the same color and texture (was fresh-cooked pumpkin, canned pumpkin, fresh-cooked sweet potato, canned yam, and baby food yam IIRC) and I was blindfolded and had my nose covered. My brother administered the test to me with containers I had labeled in a way he wouldn't be able to read. I must admit that the textures did give them away slightly, but the tastes were very distinct. I could taste that ever so common aluminum oxide from the canned ones, the pumpkin had a flavor like summer squash and was less sweet than the sweet potato or canned yam (which I have a hunch were actually sweet potatoes). The canned sweet potatoes had molasses in them, but we had not added it to the freshly cooked. The baby food had some ingredients that Gerber adds to all baby food products-I don't know what it is but I can taste it. I'm guessing it's a preservative because it is reminiscent of what's in jams and preserves that isn't in the fresh fruit. Maybe it's pectin--in higher concentrations than is naturally-occuring.

Anyway, I could taste all that stuff clearly while blindfolded and with my nose plugged. The aluminum oxide is perhaps the strongest of the distinctions. I don't mind the taste much, but it does beg the question why everone is so okay with galvanized aluminum cans for food storage. Am I the only person who realizes that acidic foods take the oxide off and we end up eating it? Isn't that stuff poisonous?

I taste more than just salty, sweet, sour, and bitter that's for certain. Those are the most prominent tastes, and all others could perhaps be considered a variant of these, but they are still unique in themselves regardless of texture, color, and smell. I can taste probably at least nearly a hundred unique and distinct tastes.

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Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

CCP Shiny
C C P
C C P Alliance
#19 - 2014-01-14 12:16:36 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:

The worst to me is that fake watermelon flavoring.


Thank you, it is comforting to know I am not alone.

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#20 - 2014-01-14 12:21:32 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I did it in a double-blind, peer-reviwed study that I didn't publish, but only once. I used 5 substances that were all approximately the same color and texture (was fresh-cooked pumpkin, canned pumpkin, fresh-cooked sweet potato, canned yam, and baby food yam IIRC) and I was blindfolded and had my nose covered. My brother administered the test to me with containers I had labeled in a way he wouldn't be able to read. I must admit that the textures did give them away slightly, but the tastes were very distinct. I could taste that ever so common aluminum oxide from the canned ones, the pumpkin had a flavor like summer squash and was less sweet than the sweet potato or canned yam (which I have a hunch were actually sweet potatoes). The canned sweet potatoes had molasses in them, but we had not added it to the freshly cooked. The baby food had some ingredients that Gerber adds to all baby food products-I don't know what it is but I can taste it. I'm guessing it's a preservative because it is reminiscent of what's in jams and preserves that isn't in the fresh fruit. Maybe it's pectin--in higher concentrations than is naturally-occuring.

Anyway, I could taste all that stuff clearly while blindfolded and with my nose plugged. The aluminum oxide is perhaps the strongest of the distinctions. I don't mind the taste much, but it does beg the question why everone is so okay with galvanized aluminum cans for food storage. Am I the only person who realizes that acidic foods take the oxide off and we end up eating it? Isn't that stuff poisonous?

I taste more than just salty, sweet, sour, and bitter that's for certain. Those are the most prominent tastes, and all others could perhaps be considered a variant of these, but they are still unique in themselves regardless of texture, color, and smell. I can taste probably at least nearly a hundred unique and distinct tastes.



Me thinks you need to submit your tongue to the closet top University for study. Your abilities may be the key to helping people that can not eat many foods due to a myriad of reasons.


Fake Edit: Part of me is not kidding lol
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