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Very serious danger for all people who like to do missions in faction ships

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goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#101 - 2014-01-16 23:18:34 UTC
Robert Morningstar wrote:

And I would not go down without a fight, a decent Mission boat; mine for instance does 1500dps, it should be able to blap a destroyer (especially the way these are not tanked) So lock em up and deny them a second cycle, every little bit helps. And if it doesn't help you haven't lost anything you weren't already going to lose.

Sorry have to disagree with this part as soon as you shoot 1 the rest of the gang can engage without concord intervention as you are now a suspect. Get out or harden up only.

It is my understanding that you do not go Suspect for shooting a GCC, I would say 'It would be just be silly to punish someone for protecting themselves' but this is EVE and there are some silly rules. But yours is a misinterpretation I believe.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2014-01-16 23:31:00 UTC
Qalix wrote:
DMC, like your statement to Chainsaw, I have the utmost respect for your posting. Also, you're responsible for like 80% of my Likes :P.

Thanks.

80% of your LIKES?

With only 33 LIKES credited to your character I think you might need to post more often. It's either that or not very many forum users share the same viewpoint as us.

Roll

Batelle wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Each of those changes were all small steps carefully orchestrated by Soundwave & Co., done at various times over the course of a few years in order to not be noticeable. However, put them all together and it paints a very big picture in favor of Suicide Gankers.


DMC


This is a Dinsdale-worthy post.

ShockedStraightWhat?Cry

Batelle wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Those days of sweet Eve are long gone now. Maybe I just happened to meet some cool people during those times. All I know is I have some very good memories of how Eve use to be compared to how it is now. As I said before, it's getting very tough to find positive things to say about this game now.


Well, we've all gotten a lot better at Eve since then. People are richer and have more SP, the economy is more mature. Hell we have month old characters sailing through level 4s.

Let's not forget that CCP has also made the game a lot easier to pursue any Career path currently available in this game.

Now about brand new players quickly and easily accessing Battleships - well, that also helps provide more targets for gankers.

Blink

In my opinion after reading through this thread, it seems players are split 50/50 on whether or not Suicide Ganking is easier now compared to a few years ago. Guess it all depends on which side of the gank you're on. One thing is for sure, Suicide Ganking is a lot more prominent now than it was a few years ago despite the fact that the average amount of active pilots online is roughly about the same now as it was a few years ago.

Now we all saw a drop in the amount of pilots online during the height of CCP's war on bots due to accounts getting banned. Seems those accounts could have been replaced by new player accounts which could explain why the average amount of active pilots online is roughly the same as it was a few years ago..

Now the old question pops up again, why is there an increase in Suicide Ganking? Besides the fact that there's more new active pilots online that replaced the bot accounts, I believe it's a very easy, cheap and profitable profession to do.

If Suicide Ganking wasn't easy, cheap and profitable to do then there wouldn't be a noticeable increase in that activity.


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Qalix
Long Jump.
#103 - 2014-01-17 04:51:57 UTC
lol. you liked that post as well. funny stuff. (the likes are because this toon only posts about mission stuff, which most often is about faction standing! but you've given plenty of likes to several of my alts as well)

I don't know what would make you think ganks are more common now than before. I've never seen anyone break it down. The only thing I've seen that's different than the old days is that the New Order bunch are more vocal and obvious than previous groups. But if you pull out the hulkageddon numbers, I'm willing to bet the old numbers are higher overall. I don't how we would figure that out though, since there's no way to really break out ganked ships from other ships on the killboards. If the gankers don't post their own km's and the gankee doesn't note it in his km I can't think of any way to track it.

Again, I encourage anyone who thinks ganking is like it used to be to go out and try it. Like everything else in EVE, its time consuming, often disappointing, and made up of long periods of boredom with a few seconds of adrenaline. The more people that use the most common sense deterrents, the more negative cargo/ship scans the gankers get and the more scans they have to perform, the fewer gankers there will be. If everyone in hisec adhered to just the module/cargo maximum values, I think it would kill almost all suicide ganking except for the thrill kills. In any event, time for this thread to sink to the bottom.
Si1viu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2014-01-17 10:14:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Si1viu
Qalix wrote:
In any event, time for this thread to sink to the bottom.


Why, suicide ganking danger suddenly disappeared? Shocked

Or because people get warned your suicide business begin to not be as efficient as before? Roll
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#105 - 2014-01-17 15:18:28 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Batelle wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Each of those changes were all small steps carefully orchestrated by Soundwave & Co., done at various times over the course of a few years in order to not be noticeable. However, put them all together and it paints a very big picture in favor of Suicide Gankers.


DMC


This is a Dinsdale-worthy post.

ShockedStraightWhat?Cry


I know it wasn't a compliment. But it needed to be said. Sad

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Qalix
Long Jump.
#106 - 2014-01-17 15:26:46 UTC
Si1viu wrote:
Qalix wrote:
In any event, time for this thread to sink to the bottom.


Why, suicide ganking danger suddenly disappeared? Shocked

Or because people get warned your suicide business begin to not be as efficient as before? Roll

I haven't run a ganking project in a long time. It now requires too much effort to be profitable for my available play time and interest. If people want to run around with bling on their ships like a bunch of idiots who can't be bothered to take the appropriate measures to reduce their desirability as targets, no amount of warning will do them or you any good.
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#107 - 2014-01-17 16:08:51 UTC
I find it very unnerving how one groups game style is apparently made legit by statements like 'I keep trying to teach those rich Mission Runners to not run missions in expensive ships.' and 'I add Content what do you add'

I can only imagine the mission runners request to modify the game to prevent Ganks in High sec is an equally legitimate response.

As is so often stated in this game 'It's a sandbox you can't tell me how to play' and we know the more aggressive players will always attempt to take from the more Industrious players. In the end everyone seems to be fighting to make the rest of eve play their game, as long as it doesn't cost them time and money.

Which is kind of funny since if we all played the same game then no-one would play this game.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#108 - 2014-01-17 20:54:12 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Hell we have month old characters sailing through level 4s.


that has been a thing for years. I started doing em around 4-5months in and my training wasn't really all that focused. I know there were farmers (maybe bots) with 5.0 sec status and 8+ standings at 3 months old. Now with the MJD you could be in a lv4 in probably a week?

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#109 - 2014-01-17 23:27:14 UTC
I'm not against suicide ganks by any stretch of the imagination but they are getting more common. It used to be if you flew some crazy officer fit ship the last thing you would see is a bunch of arty fit Maelstroms. Now people are ganking battleships with a dozen destroyers. I'm not sure if this is due to the destroyer buff or people just realized it's possible to do. I've seen ganks where the only shiny modules were 3 faction BCS. The days where it took CN invulns and a deadspace booster to make you a target are gone.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#110 - 2014-01-18 10:24:17 UTC
IIshira wrote:
The days where it took CN invulns and a deadspace booster to make you a target are gone.


Now that you don't have to worry about security status anymore, ganking has become so much more easy, there is no reason to be picky about targets.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Jonas Valence
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#111 - 2014-01-18 11:41:58 UTC
I for one should offer thanks to that particular ganking crew. If not for them I wouldn't have learned that my Golem does perfectly fine with a completely Tech 2 fit out. That being said, I doubt I would have survived two attempts without my old shiny fit. I cost them 14 thrashers and 8 tornados, plus all the kill rights they bought from me to clear themselves. All in all, a positive experience.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#112 - 2014-01-18 20:57:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Goldiiee wrote:
I find it very unnerving how one groups game style is apparently made legit by statements like 'I keep trying to teach those rich Mission Runners to not run missions in expensive ships.' and 'I add Content what do you add'

I can only imagine the mission runners request to modify the game to prevent Ganks in High sec is an equally legitimate response.


Suicide ganks are important in a sense though. I don't think it would be good for the [s]gank[s/] GAME if spending billions of isk on a mission running ship was a 100% safe investment. You get ships that perform really well, but at least there is a downside.

EDIT: Freudian slip?

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#113 - 2014-01-18 21:08:35 UTC
dexington wrote:
IIshira wrote:
The days where it took CN invulns and a deadspace booster to make you a target are gone.


Now that you don't have to worry about security status anymore, ganking has become so much more easy, there is no reason to be picky about targets.


Has there been changes to the sec status system? I know you can buy it back now but for someone that's just into ganking that's just a waste. I've seen plenty of -10 pilots gank in highsec without any problems.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2014-01-18 22:40:11 UTC
dexington wrote:
IIshira wrote:
The days where it took CN invulns and a deadspace booster to make you a target are gone.


Now that you don't have to worry about security status anymore, ganking has become so much more easy, there is no reason to be picky about targets.



Still waiting for anyone to even attempt to show there is a correlation between the tags for sec and an increase with suicide ganking.
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2014-01-18 23:04:14 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
dexington wrote:
IIshira wrote:
The days where it took CN invulns and a deadspace booster to make you a target are gone.


Now that you don't have to worry about security status anymore, ganking has become so much more easy, there is no reason to be picky about targets.



Still waiting for anyone to even attempt to show there is a correlation between the tags for sec and an increase with suicide ganking.


maybe i remember something wrong. But wont u get concordokken in 1.0 with an ss below -2. in .9 with ss below -2.5 and so on.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#116 - 2014-01-18 23:07:13 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
dexington wrote:
IIshira wrote:
The days where it took CN invulns and a deadspace booster to make you a target are gone.


Now that you don't have to worry about security status anymore, ganking has become so much more easy, there is no reason to be picky about targets.



Still waiting for anyone to even attempt to show there is a correlation between the tags for sec and an increase with suicide ganking.


I wouldn't think it's because of tags. I've only used tags once just because I was too lazy to rat up the sec status. I lost it from some random lowsec PVP although there might have been a few mining barge ganks in there Twisted. If you're doing full time suicide ganking tags would cost too much. You might as well keep the -10 sec status so you don't have to worry.

If anything it has to be the people realizing how good destroyers are for this purpose. Unless CONCORD was nerfed a bit and I didn't hear of that?
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#117 - 2014-01-18 23:08:38 UTC
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
dexington wrote:
IIshira wrote:
The days where it took CN invulns and a deadspace booster to make you a target are gone.


Now that you don't have to worry about security status anymore, ganking has become so much more easy, there is no reason to be picky about targets.



Still waiting for anyone to even attempt to show there is a correlation between the tags for sec and an increase with suicide ganking.


maybe i remember something wrong. But wont u get concordokken in 1.0 with an ss below -2. in .9 with ss below -2.5 and so on.


If you sit still of course but not if you keep moving.... If you're flying a destroyer you go to the target... kill it... wait for CONCORD to kill you then warp your pod to safe.
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#118 - 2014-01-18 23:16:50 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
dexington wrote:
IIshira wrote:
The days where it took CN invulns and a deadspace booster to make you a target are gone.


Now that you don't have to worry about security status anymore, ganking has become so much more easy, there is no reason to be picky about targets.



Still waiting for anyone to even attempt to show there is a correlation between the tags for sec and an increase with suicide ganking.


maybe i remember something wrong. But wont u get concordokken in 1.0 with an ss below -2. in .9 with ss below -2.5 and so on.


If you sit still of course but not if you keep moving.... If you're flying a destroyer you go to the target... kill it... wait for CONCORD to kill you then warp your pod to safe.


Quod erat demonstrandum ^^

ok doesnt make it impossible but harder u have to directly land on your target. now with the tags that problem is solved :P
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#119 - 2014-01-19 00:21:38 UTC
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:


ok doesnt make it impossible but harder u have to directly land on your target. now with the tags that problem is solved :P


Wow it's so tempting to troll you with that crazy comment but I'll be nice and refrain!

It's called you have a neutral pilot as a warp to in fleet... It doesn't sound like you've done too many suicide ganks lately P
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2014-01-19 00:33:48 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:


ok doesnt make it impossible but harder u have to directly land on your target. now with the tags that problem is solved :P


Wow it's so tempting to troll you with that crazy comment but I'll be nice and refrain!

It's called you have a neutral pilot as a warp to in fleet... It doesn't sound like you've done too many suicide ganks lately P


i know, i just said that it makes it slightly harder andi rarely see ppl with -5 or lower in hs tbh