Missions & Complexes

Oh wow, please stop posting on this thread or the OP will never stop. Either that or he will have a heart attack. Some people just don't get it.

Yes, they used 24 destroyers and killed maradeurs with DCU and Bastion modules fitted. You cannot tank +20 destroyers, your only chance is to not be there when they land.

It seems even 17 destroyes are enough to kill a well tanked Paladin in a 0.6 system. He had fitted t2 trimark, t2 1600 plate, 2 deadspace EANM, t2 DMC and deadspace large rep, so plenty of buffer tank and reps.
For the proof look on the JIis character killboard linked on first post, and search for this kill: "Lost in Korsiki (0.6) to JIis and 16 friends on 2014/02/08 20:40"
I cannot link the kill directly (forum rules) but is easy to find it.

A well trained character flying a catalyst can put an astonishing 650-700 dps with overheat. Theoretical max dps for a catalyst using t2 guns with void ammo, with maxed skills and +5% damage implants is 756 DPS!!!

That is just sick and explain how they manage to destroy so fast battleships well tanked...

New security tags who make able players to use high skilled chars for suicide ganking activity without thrashing their security status makes things much worse...

ZOMG!

Maybe you should run your missions in one then?

Consider a comparable IRL fleet battle for some perspective.

If 12 Destroyer class vessels are able to isolate and engage a single Battleship class, that crew is going home in row boats.

Its actually all three.
Helpful as it demonstrates the actual, real, scale of this kind of engagement.
Historically accurate in that there are many Battleship class vessels that got isolated or lost from their escorts and overwhelmed by smaller ship classes.
Representative in that it reminds of the fact that, nominally, lerger hulls are still vulnerablw to smaller ones. Especially in numbers.
Battleships are designed to fight large hulls primarily, although they can be fitted for small target specialisation.

This is what hull sizes are all about in EVE.

Not to mention that its 12 individual players vs 1, in which case the outcome should be obvious anyways.

These over-shiny ships have nothing to fear from the NPCs.
The risk is, and needs to be vested, in other players.

When you are able to use them for suicide ganking in hisec without thrashing their security status, yes is a very serious drawback because you can use much less ships to kill better tanked targets. Before security tags was introduced in game, using an old and skilled character for suicide ganking cursed you with a long and painful repetitive ratting activity, to regain your access to high sec. Now that is at few clicks distance with new security tags.



Don't forget most important aspect, that destroyers attacks happen in high sec where a entity called "Concord" is supposed to put some limits. Now that limits don't work anymore as gankers can kill any ship anytime, no matter how well is tanked, and moreover at very low cost (destroyers are dirty cheap ships)

This is 12 suicidal destroyers catching a stationary and potentially engaged battleship. it only took 1 U-boat to sink a stationary battleship in scapa flow (similar torpedoes, superior to aerial torpedoes).



it isn't representative to fly unescorted battleships, hence its really no problem if unescorted battleships are lost to gross numbers of suicidal escorts imo.

In any case, no they didn't perfect equipment for this task, and the secondary was usually fitted in such a way that only half can be brought to bear on the engaged side, and often couldn't fire astern in a chase (even if turret fited they may not necessary be safe to fire directly astern. a battle line was good at making the close ground pretty toasty, but a single battleship, has a lot of weaknesses to torpedo boats.

the whole point to the existence of destroyers, was to stop torpedo boats getting to range on the ships the destroyers were escorting. that they immediately took on both the role of torpedo boat and destroyer, didn't diminish the roles.

YES. concord provide limits, first and most obvious limit, very easy too see even by a ******** guy, is the TIME limit.
You have just an limited amount of time at disposal to kill a target. That mean that you need less time when you have more dps on hands, or longer time when you have less dps.

Multiply dps with the time available till concord arrive and you will know what you are able to kill in that window of time. When a catalyst can do easy 700 dps, because you can use higher skilled chars, you are able to pull out 14000 damage from a damn destroyer before concord arrives and jam you...

Second thing, drop that hoax with the victim fault, meant just to give you a false sensation of security. You don't need to do anything wrong to die to 20 catalysts, if some guys want to kill you ATM you will die in pain and flames no matter what you do ;)