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On Massive HiSec Freighter Ganking
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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-01-13 16:39:53 UTC
Sigh.

Gankers: Stop saying dont fill freighters. Thats what they are for. Moving alot of stuff.

Gankees: Putting small mega-expensive stuff (like BPO's) in a freighter is stupid. Dont do that. Also, this is EvE. Your doing to die sometimes. Deal with it.

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Var D'ovoli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2014-01-15 15:13:28 UTC
Lailani ASBB wrote:
Hello,

weither i haul cargo from nosec, move my stuff from nosec, or i do missions in hisec,
freighter is the only non-brain-destructive option to move huge amounts of cargo for 30+jumps.



I heard that freighters in Low and Null now have safe passage and are nullified so, cant get caught in bubbles anymore. Also, it is acceptable to haul as much as you want through those but, only carry 1.5B while traveling in High Sec Space.
Ekkentros Mercari
EVE Landscape Services
#23 - 2014-01-15 22:23:03 UTC
Lailani ASBB wrote:
My point?
Well, this has become totaly ridiculous! people started ganking freighters for 3 Bil of cargo, or less.

Freighters have been ganked for less for as long as I remember freighters being ganked.

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Before some smart guy starts speech about how one should not put 3 Bil in a freighter in hisec, let me ask you how much should one put in?

1 billion is generally considered the safe limit.

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And while we are at it, why do we build or buy a freighter in the first place if not to carry at least that ammount of stuff?

Freighters are designed to lug very large quantities of very low value items (such as ores). Got small, precious cargos to transport? Use something faster, tankier and/or cloakier.

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nobody likes fail mechanics except for those exploiting them.

And the people who compete with those who fall prey to them. If I'm also hauling goods between trade hubs, I like it when other haulers die, it means there are trade opportunities they can't fill, that I a better chance of getting my shoe in.

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No one is gonna split freighter haul into 13 smaller parts and waste several days to haul it all in a bulkhead tanked 77 K m3 cargo capacity orca for 40 jumps or so -

They could pay other people to do it, ya know.

TL;DR: Don't reply.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#24 - 2014-01-15 22:51:17 UTC
Ekkentros Mercari wrote:
Lailani ASBB wrote:
No one is gonna split freighter haul into 13 smaller parts and waste several days to haul it all in a bulkhead tanked 77 K m3 cargo capacity orca for 40 jumps or so -

They could pay other people to do it, ya know.

There would NEVER exist corporations like Push Industries or Frog Logistics. Nope. Never would anyone create such services.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#25 - 2014-01-15 23:40:16 UTC

While I wouldn't mind giving freighters more options, I see no issue with the current suicide gank mechanics.

A choice between Movement Rate, Capacity, and Tank is a good thing, but you only deserve 1 of the three at a time!
trader joes Ichinumi
Doomheim
#26 - 2014-01-15 23:53:47 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Sigh.

Gankers: Stop saying dont fill freighters. Thats what they are for. Moving alot of stuff.

Gankees: Putting small mega-expensive stuff (like BPO's) in a freighter is stupid. Dont do that. Also, this is EvE. Your doing to die sometimes. Deal with it.


Filling it with tritanium is okay.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-01-16 00:19:02 UTC
Lailani ASBB wrote:
Bot-killed


do you have any evidence for this pants-on-head assertion?

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-01-16 00:21:17 UTC
also 2-10 freighters being suicide ganked in hisec each day is a ridiculously low number, just count the freighters undocking from jita in the span of ten minutes

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Koopa Asques
Foundation.
#29 - 2014-01-16 03:24:02 UTC
Lailani ASBB wrote:

1st - the two most important cases:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21329492
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21257197
these Freighters were obviously Bot-killed by 20-23 multibox Catalysts.



Oh look more people getting riled up by my alternative isk making endeavors.
johny chimmpo
DrunkenClam
#30 - 2014-01-18 09:09:13 UTC  |  Edited by: johny chimmpo
So what op is saying is wahhhh wahhh wahhh I cant play the game exactacly how I want to so others (like gankers) cant either got it +1 for orginal post here

PS oh I think ccp should change game mech because its totally unfair when I kill someone and they had all there stuff in a cargo container and it all explodes and I lose 100 mil that's totally not fair I demand a change because I think I should at least get half everytime because im a single person and ccp must stop everything there doing to meet my demands
flakeys
Doomheim
#31 - 2014-01-18 09:16:42 UTC
Lailani ASBB wrote:

Before some smart guy starts speech about how one should not put 3 Bil in a freighter in hisec, let me ask you how much should one put in?


1.5 to max 2 B

Lailani ASBB wrote:


And while we are at it, why do we build or buy a freighter in the first place if not to carry at least that ammount of stuff?


To move big volumes , nothing to do with the value.Trit is one of the best examples here.


Lailani ASBB wrote:

freighter is the only non-brain-destructive option to move huge amounts of cargo for 30+jumps.


And with that you said more then enough , you want to fly around afk without having to think how much your actually carrying and what risk comes with that.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Lailani ASBB
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-01-25 00:48:22 UTC
ah well, ok.. i see where this went..

just few links from today:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21545681
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21547484
oh this one is the best:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21547486

1 bil limit means nothing with peeps using t1 cruisers and destroyers. even that last kill with cargo of tritanium
got the gankers out with +ISK.

As most peeps here seam to think think this is all ok, and i guess CCP is happy as always with stuff being destroyed,
who am i to argue?

cyas o/
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#33 - 2014-01-25 01:31:45 UTC
I can't decide whether this thread was conceived as a stealth Red Frog advertisement...
Mag's
Azn Empire
#34 - 2014-01-25 08:59:05 UTC
So the OP is complaining that people have gathered together, to kill 1 ship with many, in an MMO designed to allow people to gather together, to kill 1 ship?

OK.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#35 - 2014-01-25 14:54:41 UTC
Yes, this is okay. And, yes, CCP is happy with stuff being destroyed. If stuff doesn't get destroyed stuff loses value and eventually becomes worthless. Hire guards, bring friends, have help... pay attention. All three of those killmails involved a specific group of people targeting those freighters... as such one might consider keeping a watchful eye out for those folks in particular as well. There are plenty of solutions to this, setting autopilot and going to watch a movie isn't one of them.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Asia Leigh
Kenshin Industries.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#36 - 2014-01-27 07:03:40 UTC
Easy solution to this problem. Scout the route out or Have someone scout it for you. If you see a bunch of thrashers, talos, and tornadoes hanging around a gate, chances are they aren't hanging around for peaceful purposes >.>

You want to continue to put faction modules, blueprints and other hideously expensive crap in your freighters, while you continue to auto-pilot through un-scouted territory, expect to continue losing your freighters...
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
Azov Rassau
Iron Destiny
#37 - 2014-01-27 12:36:35 UTC
Asia Leigh wrote:
Scout the route out or Have someone scout it for you. If you see a bunch of thrashers, talos, and tornadoes hanging around a gate, chances are they aren't hanging around for peaceful purposes >.>


The worst thing a freighter pilot can see is a Machariel sitting at a gate, cargo scanning ships. That scene is often the first step for an organized freighter gank.
The next step is obvious.

Hence a scout should also look for this particular battleship. Route alteration of a loaded freighter is a good idea in case you see a mach sitting (0 m/s on your overview) on top of a stargate on your route.
The gank fleet (mostly Talos, indeed) will often be provided a warp-in, instead of foolishly waiting near the bumper or the stargate.

Be the change you want to see in Highsec.

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