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Maximus Martinus
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#1 - 2014-01-12 23:50:53 UTC
What is the next step up after the Venture mining ship? At this stage of my "career" I only want to mine asteroids but at a faster rate (more turrets/upgrades) and without the jetcanning stuff. I can't see an obvious candidate. Is there one?

Any help much appreciated.

Martin

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Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#2 - 2014-01-13 00:01:18 UTC
Try the Retriever, Procurer or Coveter.

They are mining barges. Retriever has a large ore hold for solo mining. Procurer can be fitted with a very good tank to stop you dieing and the Coveter can mine the most but has a small ore hold.

Choose which one suits you the best. Most people go for the retriever.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3 - 2014-01-13 00:02:43 UTC
One of the mining barges I'd imagine, training strip miners and look @ a procurer and it's siblings might be an idea,
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-01-13 00:04:28 UTC
A mining barge. Depending on how concerned you are about getting ganked a Procurer or Retriever.

If you fear ganks, get a Procurer
If you barely have the ISK to buy a barge: a Procurer (it's cheaper, 15 millions vs 25 for a Retriever)
If losing your barge would traumatize you: a Procurer (and fit a tank)
If you are attentive while mining, have money to replace it and consider the occasional ship loss just part of the cost of doing business: a Retriever (bigger ore hold and slightly better yield thanks to one more low-slot for an additional Mining Laser Upgrade)
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#5 - 2014-01-13 00:34:29 UTC
You could look at a killboard, and look up some of the mining barges I've killed over the last year or so.

That might give you inspiration for fits.

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Maximus Martinus
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#6 - 2014-01-13 01:00:43 UTC
Thanks to everybody for the incredibly quick responses.

I hadn't thought of strip mining - I just assumed I could fit my existing lasers. Now I know. The base yields of Miner II and Strip Miner I are 60m3 v 540m3. That's a big increase - are there any drawbacks?

I hope that drones will take care of the NPC baddies in the higher security systems - I won't be going anywhere less than .5 for a few months.

A big investment calls for some platinum insurance. I've already lost half a dozen destroyers/cruisers through inexperience. I'm now building up a war chest for my first battleship.

MM

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-01-13 01:12:54 UTC
Maximus Martinus wrote:
Thanks to everybody for the incredibly quick responses.

I hadn't thought of strip mining - I just assumed I could fit my existing lasers. Now I know. The base yields of Miner II and Strip Miner I are 60m3 v 540m3. That's a big increase - are there any drawbacks?

I hope that drones will take care of the NPC baddies in the higher security systems - I won't be going anywhere less than .5 for a few months.

A big investment calls for some platinum insurance. I've already lost half a dozen destroyers/cruisers through inexperience. I'm now building up a war chest for my first battleship.

MM


Drawbacks:

They can only be fit on Mining Barges and Exhumers. Which in term, are slower then your venture and it ain't uncommon for other people to pick on said ships. Specially for instance a Retriever, they have a big ore hold which means less trips to the station, but they do lack a good tank and thus are easier prey over for instance a Procurer.

Another "drawback" to watch for are the T2 strip miners. Although they are Tech 2, if you don't put any mining crystals in them, they are actually worse then T1 strip miners.


NPC rats shouldn't be a problem at all if you field 5 drones in highsec.

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Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-01-13 01:32:06 UTC
Maximus Martinus wrote:
The base yields of Miner II and Strip Miner I are 60m3 v 540m3. That's a big increase - are there any drawbacks?
Do not just look at base yield, but also at cycle duration, because that base yield is per cycle. A mining laser has a 1 minute cycle, while a strip miner has a 3 minute cycle. Therefore a Strip Miner I does not mine 9 times more than a Miner II. But even 3 times more is still a very noticeable increase.

And then what J'Poll said.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#9 - 2014-01-13 01:34:43 UTC
Maximus Martinus wrote:
Thanks to everybody for the incredibly quick responses.

I hadn't thought of strip mining - I just assumed I could fit my existing lasers. Now I know. The base yields of Miner II and Strip Miner I are 60m3 v 540m3. That's a big increase - are there any drawbacks?

I hope that drones will take care of the NPC baddies in the higher security systems - I won't be going anywhere less than .5 for a few months.

A big investment calls for some platinum insurance. I've already lost half a dozen destroyers/cruisers through inexperience. I'm now building up a war chest for my first battleship.

MM



Procurer or Skiff drones will slaughter any NPC pirates outside nullsec, except clone soldiers in lowsec.

Player pirates, on the other hand, like it when your drones attack them, as it means we can legally aggress your pod. (CONCORD will still blap us for illegally attacking your ship if it is in highsec, but you won't get to see that as you'll be in your medical bay).

ECM drones offer more protection from players than combat drones, but less against NPCs. I will not engage a mining barge that has ECM drones out in a Catalyst, although I will in a Vexor.


Also please reconsider that "I won't go outside highsec for a while". Do go outside high, but in a ship and capsule you won't be hurt by the loss of. If you want to get your feet wet in lowsec and see the sights, I recommend Sharuveil, a 0.4 system 4 jumps from Dodixie. It's a quiet system with no permanent pirate activity, but it is also next door to a more dangerous lowsec system, Decon. The Decon-Balle gate and the Decon belts can be dangerous at times, but Sharuveil is safer than some nasty 0.5 systems like Uedama, Niarja and even Balle.

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Aido Terra
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-01-13 09:46:59 UTC
Just a side note - if you stay in high sec, you need only one combat drone against NPC rats. They will be killed before they dig through your shields.
From what I've read in forums, it is not worth go mining low sec, since what you gain will lose due to lost ship costs.
Procurer has enough powergrid and cpu to fit 2 T2 mining upgrades. Which will be hard on Retriever due to low CPU of it.
Procurer fit, that I would use, if I would go mining:
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Medium Shield Extender II

Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I

4 mining drones and 1 combat drone according to what rats you expect

Retriever will temp you to go AFK mining. Which is not a good idea if you are not in Venture. Because of players like Sabriz Adoudel. Btw, do not trust much his advices where to go and what to do - he is well known to backstab people, who trusted him to make a laugh out of it.

Covetor is the most expensive mining barge not without reason. Yes, you will need to go to clear cargo each 3 cycles or use a jet - can mining, but you will not be tempted to go AFK as with other 2 minig barges and you can do mining missions quicker.

TL:DR version : go for Procurer if you like mining, forget about mining and start doing security missions if you want to fly battleship soon. Cause you will need to get your mining skills high enough to fly mining barge and those skills are not applyable on battleship you are building.
Maximus Martinus
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#11 - 2014-01-13 17:52:44 UTC
Thank you AT, TB, J'P for even more useful information added since my last post. I'll see what skills (if any) I need to acquire and start building.

SA - Thank you for the information and invitation. Perhaps I'll take you up on it when I have L5 Battleship and a Kronos - shouldn't be long.

MM

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Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-01-13 18:30:04 UTC
Maximus Martinus wrote:
SA - Thank you for the information and invitation. Perhaps I'll take you up on it when I have L5 Battleship and a Kronos - shouldn't be long.
Umm, what? Read his invitation again:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Do go outside high, but in a ship and capsule you won't be hurt by the loss of.
A Kronos really doesn't qualify for the later, you will most certainly be hurt by the loss of a 1 billion ISK hull. Bigger isn't better, especially when venturing solo into low-sec. Your first trips into low-sec should be in a dirt-cheap frigate, as you will lose that ship, even if it's a Kronos with a massive tank.
Etria Issen
Imperial Varista
#13 - 2014-01-13 19:23:51 UTC
From a thread in General Discussion, I can say they strongly suggest you never AFK mine. It's a nice, lazy way to mine, sure but it's going to bite you in the rear end one day.

When you're not looking at your screen, is when a player might decide to show up and destroy you. It's better to be attentive the entire time - even if mining is about as exciting as watching paint dry.

On the topic of lowsec, while I myself am still rather afraid of ever going there, as long as you do some planning it shouldn't be a problem. Check your map, I believe, to see where people have been getting killed in. If you see a lot of deaths in a particular sector, stay clear of it. Just try to stay in places with relative low death reports, and keep your eyes open and you should be fine.

PS:
EVE stop saving my posts as drafts. I wanted to POST it not DRAFT it.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-01-13 19:55:27 UTC
Etria Issen wrote:
From a thread in General Discussion, I can say they strongly suggest you never AFK mine. It's a nice, lazy way to mine, sure but it's going to bite you in the rear end one day.

When you're not looking at your screen, is when a player might decide to show up and destroy you. It's better to be attentive the entire time - even if mining is about as exciting as watching paint dry.

On the topic of lowsec, while I myself am still rather afraid of ever going there, as long as you do some planning it shouldn't be a problem. Check your map, I believe, to see where people have been getting killed in. If you see a lot of deaths in a particular sector, stay clear of it. Just try to stay in places with relative low death reports, and keep your eyes open and you should be fine.

PS:
EVE stop saving my posts as drafts. I wanted to POST it not DRAFT it.


All good advice. Mining in lowsec, unless as part of an organized group with scouts is suicidal in anything but a Venture. Gas mining in lowsec in a Venture should pay pretty well considering the cheap ship you have to risk. You can also put an extra stab in the low which really ticks off the local pirates.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#15 - 2014-01-13 20:10:23 UTC
Thomas Builder wrote:
Maximus Martinus wrote:
SA - Thank you for the information and invitation. Perhaps I'll take you up on it when I have L5 Battleship and a Kronos - shouldn't be long.
Umm, what? Read his invitation again:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Do go outside high, but in a ship and capsule you won't be hurt by the loss of.
A Kronos really doesn't qualify for the later, you will most certainly be hurt by the loss of a 1 billion ISK hull. Bigger isn't better, especially when venturing solo into low-sec. Your first trips into low-sec should be in a dirt-cheap frigate, as you will lose that ship, even if it's a Kronos with a massive tank.



Definitely do not go into low in a Kronos fitted for soloing level 5 missions unless you know absolutely exactly what you are doing.

If you look quite a way back on my killboard, you'll see a few fights I have been in in Decon. I mostly took in tech 1 cruisers (specifically the Vexor) and had a few wins and a few losses.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Etria Issen
Imperial Varista
#16 - 2014-01-13 20:14:34 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Etria Issen wrote:
From a thread in General Discussion, I can say they strongly suggest you never AFK mine. It's a nice, lazy way to mine, sure but it's going to bite you in the rear end one day.

When you're not looking at your screen, is when a player might decide to show up and destroy you. It's better to be attentive the entire time - even if mining is about as exciting as watching paint dry.

On the topic of lowsec, while I myself am still rather afraid of ever going there, as long as you do some planning it shouldn't be a problem. Check your map, I believe, to see where people have been getting killed in. If you see a lot of deaths in a particular sector, stay clear of it. Just try to stay in places with relative low death reports, and keep your eyes open and you should be fine.

PS:
EVE stop saving my posts as drafts. I wanted to POST it not DRAFT it.


All good advice. Mining in lowsec, unless as part of an organized group with scouts is suicidal in anything but a Venture. Gas mining in lowsec in a Venture should pay pretty well considering the cheap ship you have to risk. You can also put an extra stab in the low which really ticks off the local pirates.


This is also some good advice - namely the part about having a group. An individual miner is easy prey. A group is less so. Finding some people you can trust (enough) and getting some protection can make riskier mining operations more appealing. After all, the average pirate is looking for the easiest pickings.
Centis Adjani
Adjani Corporation
#17 - 2014-01-13 20:59:19 UTC
Maximus Martinus wrote:
I'll see what skills (if any) I need to acquire and start building.


For a Retriever and Strip Miner you have to train

* Industry Level 5
* Mining Level 4
* Science Level 4
* Astrogeology Level 3
* Space Ship Command Level 1
* Mining Frigate Level 3
* Mining Barge Level 1
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#18 - 2014-01-13 22:38:24 UTC
Aido Terra wrote:
Because of players like Sabriz Adoudel. Btw, do not trust much his advices where to go and what to do - he is well known to backstab people, who trusted him to make a laugh out of it.


This is good advice - do not trust me. In EVE, you should not trust anyone unless you are sleeping with them in real life, and even then they may only be screwing you to screw you.

However, my advice in this thread was not intended to mislead a newbie but to be legitimately useful. I don't go after newbies as they don't have anything worth stealing. Fatten up the prey first before moving in for the kill.

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Maximus Martinus
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#19 - 2014-01-14 01:08:10 UTC
I'm not clear on what constitutes low sec. I've mined in .6 in a frigate and only been attacked by NPCs. Is .5 that much different? The level of security seems to be dependent more on who's there and what their intentions are.

I've got the required skills and ISK so I'll see how strip mining works - but only in high sec.

Can someone shine a light on:-

How do systems get their rating?

How do I check kills on the map?

Where do I find killboards?

Is there a way to see other EVE players assets e.g. ship availability/skill points?

MM

We are here to educate and amuse

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-01-14 01:23:56 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Aido Terra wrote:
Because of players like Sabriz Adoudel. Btw, do not trust much his advices where to go and what to do - he is well known to backstab people, who trusted him to make a laugh out of it.


This is good advice - do not trust me. In EVE, you should not trust anyone unless you are sleeping with them in real life, and even then they may only be screwing you to screw you.

However, my advice in this thread was not intended to mislead a newbie but to be legitimately useful. I don't go after newbies as they don't have anything worth stealing. Fatten up the prey first before moving in for the kill.

This. Just because we play as villains does not mean that we in any way want to hurt new players. If anything, helping new players gets more people rich for us to later steal from. It really is in our best interest to encourage people to learn about the game. Anyone who takes advantage of new players really should be removed from eve. This is why there are strict rules in place for starter systems.

Maximus Martinus wrote:
I'm not clear on what constitutes low sec.


High sec is 0.5-1.0, low sec is 0.1-0.4, Nullsec is 0.0- -1.0 and wormhole space is -1.0
In low sec space you can be freely engaged by other players without concord (the galactic police force) coming to your aid. In low sec players lose security status when attacking other players and may be attacked by guns at stargates when doing so. In null sec and wormhole space, there is no security status loss, and additional weapons are allowed that are restricted in low and high security space.

Maximus Martinus wrote:
Can someone shine a light on:-

How do systems get their rating?

How do I check kills on the map?

Where do I find killboards?

Is there a way to see other EVE players assets e.g. ship availability/skill points?

MM


For all of your star map needs this does a better job than I could: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Star_Map

Killboards are websites, so just google them.
The last one is harder. If you have an api key ( http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/EVE_API_Guide ) that will give you this information, but the key must be given to you by that player. For research on hostiles, you want to use a mix of losses on killboards, http://eveboard.com/ and http://evewho.com/ . These sites will let you know what they fly (important), what their skills are (less important), and who their allies are (VERY important). You will want to figure out who their alts are and look up forum posts of players you are tracking. These can have useful tidbits of information. Finally, locator agents ( http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Locator_Agents ) are available in game to track other players locations for a small fee.

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