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Mining got old, but what's next?!?

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2014-01-13 02:50:35 UTC
Tuk'ata Rucor wrote:


EDIT: Any suggestions for a good combat corp? PvP I think would be more fun for me. But either is fine. Oh, and helpful. I'm not into the "you're not good enough to be here" mentality. Point is to get to a high point, through help and information. Not just put people down and discourage them from even playing.



The three you commonly see suggested for new players are:
- RvB
- Eve UNI
- BNI (Brave Newbies Inc).

DISCLAIMER: None of my characters have been in any of those corps so I cannot personally recommend them, I am just repeating what other people seem to suggest a lot.
Tuk'ata Rucor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2014-01-13 03:04:56 UTC
I appreciate the info, thank you! I'll check into the corps and see what they're about. I'm currently just cruising around lowsec, just seeing what's around. With all the hype about low and null, I thought I would've got blasted by now. But nope. I'm also debating on using a destroyer or not. It seems to do only a tiny tiny difference in damage output, but has the long range "sniper" perks. Which seems nice. But when 7 turrets only do 5.1 turrets worth of damage, and my frigate can push out 4 turrets worth with only 3... Seems rather off. But I'm not sure which would be better for my play style. Long range is nice, but if I'm focused on speed and evasive maneuvering, I don't see the necessity for it.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2014-01-13 03:25:47 UTC
Tuk'ata Rucor wrote:
I appreciate the info, thank you! I'll check into the corps and see what they're about. I'm currently just cruising around lowsec, just seeing what's around. With all the hype about low and null, I thought I would've got blasted by now. But nope. I'm also debating on using a destroyer or not. It seems to do only a tiny tiny difference in damage output, but has the long range "sniper" perks. Which seems nice. But when 7 turrets only do 5.1 turrets worth of damage, and my frigate can push out 4 turrets worth with only 3... Seems rather off. But I'm not sure which would be better for my play style. Long range is nice, but if I'm focused on speed and evasive maneuvering, I don't see the necessity for it.


If you are Minmatar maybe look at playing around with a Republic Fleet Firetail they are cheapish (not a huge loss if it explodes) and have low skill requirements for a newer player ... and longer term train for assault frigates and interceptors.
Tuk'ata Rucor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2014-01-13 03:28:50 UTC
Ya, I'm Minmatar. And I'll definitely look into that. It's a corp, correct?
Tuk'ata Rucor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2014-01-13 03:31:34 UTC
My miner toon is Gallente tho. I'm seriously thinking of just squashing him and making another combat toon. I don't even mine anymore. I hop on to fill the training queue then just switch back to this toon lol. If only we could take all the time and skills learned and put them to a different toon. But then again, that would be cheating.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2014-01-13 03:35:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Tuk'ata Rucor wrote:
Ya, I'm Minmatar. And I'll definitely look into that. It's a corp, correct?


Republic Fleet is a corp.

The Firetail is a "noob-skillz friendly" faction frigate that sells for between 10 and 15 mill depending where you buy it.

Sort of half between a T1 frigate and an Assault Frigate in both ability and price. But unlike the AF does need Frigate V straight away (though it helps).

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Republic_Fleet_Firetail


Tuk'ata Rucor wrote:
My miner toon is Gallente tho. I'm seriously thinking of just squashing him and making another combat toon. I don't even mine anymore. I hop on to fill the training queue then just switch back to this toon lol. If only we could take all the time and skills learned and put them to a different toon. But then again, that would be cheating.


Use it to fund the other toons exploits. Give it some PI skills and run some planets in losec for free ISK.
Tuk'ata Rucor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2014-01-13 04:16:27 UTC
Great idea, thank you. And I'll look into the Firetail. I think I'm a level 4 Minmatar Frigate right now. So it'll be a day or two before I would be able to get in it.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#48 - 2014-01-13 11:45:45 UTC
Tuk'ata Rucor wrote:
Lol I like this guy ^

Obviously he doesn't realize when he's being laughed at and messed with. Good times. On an EVE discussion, debating grammar... Smh.



You started it, dumbo

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

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Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#49 - 2014-01-13 15:53:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Shiloh Templeton
Next time you might want to post something like this in the New Citizen forum unless you like all the banter.

Join one of the newbie friendly corps is probably the quickest way to learn. There are also some sites like Agony Unleashed to learn PvP concepts. Frigates are cheaper way to learn. I don't think you'll make money from PvP for a while so your miner can help fund PvP - or you can plex tank. Or use PvE to fund.

If you want to go it alone start picking fights in low-sec. I imagine a lot of ships will just run from your newbie bad self. And other ships will laugh as they kick your a**. Use Dotlan to find low sec systems with recent kills. On your own, you may want to cross train your miner into a scout before combat ally.
Clem Fandango
Doomheim
#50 - 2014-01-13 16:38:11 UTC
I'd give this guy six months tops. Obviously not cut out for EvE.
Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#51 - 2014-01-13 18:11:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugalbandak
fw , fight & earn isk.

also ask advice for fits etc

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2014-01-13 19:44:31 UTC
Instead of being a pirate and preying on miners, I recommend becoming an agent or knight of the new order, and educating miners. Information can be found at www.minerbuimping.com .

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Tuk'ata Rucor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2014-01-13 20:01:45 UTC
Thanks for the info, I appreciate it.

I'll start posting my noob questions in that New Citizens feed. As for going at it alone, I was hoping not to. Gang related activities would be more what I would be into. From what I've heard, for PvP, it's better to train skills for a month or two before trying to pick fights. And yes, I had to learn the hard way. I don't get upset at getting podded or even blown to bits and my clone dying. It's a game.

As far as aking for advice, I have been trying to. Every time i'm on, I do my best to ask others what fits are good for which ships and where skills should be focused, for my play style. I get some good advice at times, but getting PvP advice from "carebears" isn't the most beneficial. Currently i'm running a Frigate and Destroyer, switching between the two. But I know I don't have the necessary amount of skills needed to make a "difference". High-sec rats are one thing. Low-sec and Null-sec PvP is another. I've been told that High-sec miner ganking is a "good" option. But that's really not something i'm looking to do. NOT because i'm a miner myself too, but because you have to jump around for about 1-2 minutes before you can dock, to get away from Concord. So the whole "hit and run" aspect just seems like a cheap move. If i'm going to fight, I rather fight players that are set up for it, or at least in an area where they know the inevitable risk.

I was informed about RvB and other corps that are noob-friendly. But when I searched for RvB, 15 corps came up, none of which were "Red Vs. Blue". They all seemed to be sister or cousin corps. Referencing RvB, but not actually being RvB. I could be looking it up improperly, but I doubt it.

Will I only last 6 months? Maybe. But if you could predict the future, I doubt you'd be spending your time on EvE rather than being rich and using your foresight for personal gain. But quitting? Why? Makes no sense. The passive, real-time skill training allows for nonstop skill training, and you don't EVER have to leave your station. Even if you never play, you can still sign on for 2 minutes, set your queue, and sign off. So no matter what, you're still progressing. And as I said earlier, you want as much ability as possible before trying to head out into PvP head on. So training for a month or so without doing much, is not a bad thing. While that goes on, I can be mining, refining, building ships and ammo, etc. So there's no reason to leave EvE. The $15 a month is not breaking my bank. Plus, I can mine a couple times a week and easily PLEX. So, i'm not sure why this post conveys that i'll be quitting after 6 months... but that's okay lol. EvE is a long term investment and game. Practically a lifestyle. If that's not understood from the beginning, then that person has been sadly misinformed. I understand what EvE demands, I am just looking for advice on being an efficient fighter and the only way to do that is to ask. And again, i'm a miner going to fighter (separate accounts), so of course I have no idea what i'm doing. They're two totally different concepts and styles. Try to be helpful instead of trying to prove the point that you're a superior EvE player. Given the way skills are real-time, I don't doubt you are. Even if you're a day or 5 years older than me, you still would have more skills. So yes, you're better. But please... i'm trying to enjoy this game in all aspects. I have mining down. So assist me in learning about PvP and fighting. Or would you just like New Eden to yourself?...

Thanks to the people above that have helped! And i'll remember to post my questions in the New Citizens feed so I can recieve more information and guidance from newerr members like myself.

o7
Tuk'ata Rucor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2014-01-13 20:05:14 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Instead of being a pirate and preying on miners, I recommend becoming an agent or knight of the new order, and educating miners. Information can be found at www.minerbuimping.com .


I was actually presented with this advice last night. I met one of the New Orders members and she said I should definitely sign up. I appreciate the info and affirmation!
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#55 - 2014-01-13 20:18:53 UTC
Some good advice in here, most important being to get into the right corp for you.

I'd add, and I know many will disagree, only play one account. Eve will be more fun and less like a job. It will be more immersive. You will be forced to make friends and interact with others, which ultimately is probably what the game is all about.

No good deed goes unpunished

Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2014-01-13 20:54:03 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Tuk'ata Rucor wrote:
Obviously I'm a noob... I'll cry about that later. Bare with me if I sound like an idiot.




You already do. It's "bear with me".

"Bare with me" sounds like you want to get naked together. No thanks.



If you are not using it then can i borrow your Twister floor mat? i promise to clean the stains off after.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

Tuk'ata Rucor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2014-01-14 03:41:52 UTC
Thanks Maxpie! I agree, I think finding a roper corp is what I need. I've also been thinking a lot about just having one account, one character, rather than 2 accounts and 2 characters. But then, all my time into my older toon would be wasted. But, with the buddy program, I still have one of the three reward options still available. So I can just add a plex, time, or the Catalyst pack to him, then trade it to my current toon. But the problem is, finding the right corp for me. I think that after I have a nice corp to turn to and run with, I'd be more motivated to let my old toon drop off and just use this one toon. But then again, everyone says that having an alt account is almost necessary to actually "make a difference" in a particular situation. I'm definitely NOT disagreeing with you. I think focusing on one toon and getting him as best I can will be a better experience. You, my friend, are just the first person to actually say, stick with one toon. It's hard, because I do enjoy mining at times. But as for a long term, "years to come" goal, it's not for me. It was just... Fun to experience. But definitely not a long term goal I would like. Sad part is, by doing that, I would not be running with my friend anymore. He's strictly mining and hauling. That's it. And his wife does the refining and selling. So that will be a bummer, to NOT play with someone I know personally. But still, mining is quite boring. I want to play EvE and NOT watch tv or movies at the same time lol.

I appreciate your help!
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2014-01-14 03:56:12 UTC
Tuk'ata Rucor wrote:
Thanks Maxpie! I agree, I think finding a roper corp is what I need. I've also been thinking a lot about just having one account, one character, rather than 2 accounts and 2 characters. But then, all my time into my older toon would be wasted. But, with the buddy program, I still have one of the three reward options still available. So I can just add a plex, time, or the Catalyst pack to him, then trade it to my current toon. But the problem is, finding the right corp for me. I think that after I have a nice corp to turn to and run with, I'd be more motivated to let my old toon drop off and just use this one toon. But then again, everyone says that having an alt account is almost necessary to actually "make a difference" in a particular situation. I'm definitely NOT disagreeing with you. I think focusing on one toon and getting him as best I can will be a better experience. You, my friend, are just the first person to actually say, stick with one toon. It's hard, because I do enjoy mining at times. But as for a long term, "years to come" goal, it's not for me. It was just... Fun to experience. But definitely not a long term goal I would like. Sad part is, by doing that, I would not be running with my friend anymore. He's strictly mining and hauling. That's it. And his wife does the refining and selling. So that will be a bummer, to NOT play with someone I know personally. But still, mining is quite boring. I want to play EvE and NOT watch tv or movies at the same time lol.

I appreciate your help!


Just sell the trained toon on your second account on the character bazaar and leave one of your untrained free alts holding the account. Then transfer the ISK to the account you intend to use. A well skilled mining toon should be worth a few bill.
Tuk'ata Rucor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2014-01-14 04:22:42 UTC
You would think so, right? And I also have a good list of ships and items in the item hangar too.

Question:
What exactly do you mean when you say let one of my free slots (on this toon) hold the account?

Question:
Is it safe? Don't I have to give out the password and name? If so, then what about the email that's linked to that account? Does the buyer need that as well?



EDIT: I realize I should just look up the info and see the requirements. But I'm not positive on how to go about that.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2014-01-14 04:45:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Tuk'ata Rucor wrote:
You would think so, right? And I also have a good list of ships and items in the item hangar too.

Question:
What exactly do you mean when you say let one of my free slots (on this toon) hold the account?

Question:
Is it safe? Don't I have to give out the password and name? If so, then what about the email that's linked to that account? Does the buyer need that as well?



EDIT: I realize I should just look up the info and see the requirements. But I'm not positive on how to go about that.



Every account has 3 characters attached to it. You could right from the start have just started a PvP toon on the same login as your mining toon using "multiple character training" and just paid the one monthly subs each month however you would not have been able to log both in at once. Of course there seems little need to log both in at once anyway so it was probably a better way of doing it right from the start.

You are not allowed to sell actual accounts (the login and associated characters).

What you can do is transfer characters that exist on an account (login) to a different account (login).

What you sell on the bazaar are individual trained characters and pay one PLEX to transfer that character from your account to the purchaser account. Your character will disappear from your login and replace one of the three characters on the buyers login.

ALTERNATIVELY ... you could just pay a PLEX and transfer the character to take up a spare slot on your PvP login. The mining character would not be training and can only be logged instead of your PvP character rather than at the same time. The adavntage is you would still be able to occasionally mine if you want to.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Character_Transfer

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6369