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Cpt Numnutz Nuttingtons
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-01-12 07:49:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Cpt Numnutz Nuttingtons
Hello all,
Thought I'd ask the community for some advice on a decision I've been mulling over for a while now. A friend of mine was nice enough to donate some isk to help realize me dream of being a chimera pilot. Needless to say I'm horribly in dept to him and don't want to screw up before I can pay him back. I have been what is known as a "carebear" for about a year now grinding lvl 4 missions to make isk in high sec while my skills have been training up for my camera. Since capital ships only operate in low or null I'm planning on moving out and joining the real players now that my skills are decent.
Since I am a noon I was thinking about going to a big corp with some renters and learning how to use my carrier in (relative) safety. Probably rat at first to learn and pay back my industrialist friend. Then contribute my skills to the greater effort and get in some real null sec fights. I was originally looking at the CFC, however I heard that PL is using chimera and thought it might be good to go to a corp that uses my class of carrier and learn from some experienced pilots. Are there any other corps I should consider? Or would the CFC be a good place to learn the unforgiving ways of null sec?

Before anyone says that I'm just going carrier because they are "op" or imbalanced let me say this, the chimera is (in my opinion) the coolest ship in the game, I've always wanted to fly one. The idea of a carrier is also really attractive to me so I want to fly it, up op or whatever state its in.

Any helpful advice is really appreciated! Cheers!
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-01-12 07:54:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Alduin666 Shikkoken
There are so many things that you got wrong and//or misunderstand about carriers and nullsec in general that it would take a small essay for me to explain it all to you.

The best advice that I can offer you is this: It seems that the camera that you are purchasing is going to cost a pretty penny, so I hope it takes high quality pictures.

Edit: OP fixed his spelling error which means that my bad joke is no longer relevant.

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Arisidana
Amadari Traders
#3 - 2014-01-12 07:54:51 UTC
Cpt Numnutz Nuttingtons wrote:

...being a camera pilot.
...the camera is (in my opinion) the coolest ship in the game...



Canon or Minolta
Alastair Ormand
Mine all the things
#4 - 2014-01-12 08:16:45 UTC
Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
There are so many things that you got wrong and//or misunderstand about carriers and nullsec in general that it would take a small essay for me to explain it all to you.

The best advice that I can offer you is this: It seems that the camera that you are purchasing is going to cost a pretty penny, so I hope it takes high quality pictures.


http://th08.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2011/288/7/7/oh__stop_it__you__by_rober_raik-d4cwd9f.png

I discourage running with scissors.
Cpt Numnutz Nuttingtons
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-01-12 08:26:47 UTC
Arisidana wrote:
Cpt Numnutz Nuttingtons wrote:

...being a camera pilot.
...the camera is (in my opinion) the coolest ship in the game...



Canon or Minolta

Ah damn tablets. I'll correct it to chimera.
Cpt Numnutz Nuttingtons
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-01-12 09:05:02 UTC
Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
There are so many things that you got wrong and//or misunderstand about carriers and nullsec in general that it would take a small essay for me to explain it all to you.

The best advice that I can offer you is this: It seems that the camera that you are purchasing is going to cost a pretty penny, so I hope it takes high quality pictures.

Well this is what I was expecting from the eve forums. I know that there are a lot of things that carriers are used for, but since I am inexperienced flying them I want to learn a bit about actually using them and where better than with some good PvP players that can back you up?
Thanks for a the encouraging advice for a scrub tho, I'm sure many pilots get a simiar null sec pilot welcome.
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-01-12 09:08:47 UTC
Cpt Numnutz Nuttingtons wrote:
Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
There are so many things that you got wrong and//or misunderstand about carriers and nullsec in general that it would take a small essay for me to explain it all to you.

The best advice that I can offer you is this: It seems that the camera that you are purchasing is going to cost a pretty penny, so I hope it takes high quality pictures.

Well this is what I was expecting from the eve forums. I know that there are a lot of things that carriers are used for, but since I am inexperienced flying them I want to learn a bit about actually using them and where better than with some good PvP players that can back you up?
Thanks for a the encouraging advice for a scrub tho, I'm sure many pilots get a simiar null sec pilot welcome.


You want a good resource to help you find advice? Well I have this handy link here!

Helpful Link

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Holgrak Blacksmith
Prophets of Motav
#8 - 2014-01-12 09:09:05 UTC
As someone has already said, from your post it is clear that you are absolutely no where near ready to fly a carrier.

Join a null sex corporation and live in null for a while, join a heap of alliance ops, and when you can come back to this post and know where you went wrong - you'll be in a better position to fly a carrier.

Also - grrrr goons, dont be a dirty cfc renter.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#9 - 2014-01-12 09:29:05 UTC
There's precisely zero change of PL taking you in, since they need people who know what they're doing. I guess you can start in their feeder corp (Waffles) if it's recruiting and go from there. It will be a long time before you use a carrier though, and there's an extremely high chance anyone offering to recruit you is doing so specifically to blow it up.

Eve isn't a "grind to lvl60 and a certain gear score then PVP" game - you should be PVPing in much smaller stuff for a good while before your carrier is anything other than a near immediate lossmail.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Cpt Numnutz Nuttingtons
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-01-12 09:48:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Cpt Numnutz Nuttingtons
Khanh'rhh wrote:
There's precisely zero change of PL taking you in, since they need people who know what they're doing. I guess you can start in their feeder corp (Waffles) if it's recruiting and go from there. It will be a long time before you use a carrier though, and there's an extremely high chance anyone offering to recruit you is doing so specifically to blow it up.

Eve isn't a "grind to lvl60 and a certain gear score then PVP" game - you should be PVPing in much smaller stuff for a good while before your carrier is anything other than a near immediate lossmail.

Yeah I'm still training up my skills for my chimera. I don't expect to get into a good corp, honestly a feeder corp connected to another corp with experienced chimera pilots would be a good start. I do understand that carriers are used mostly for hauling, which I would be perfectly fine with because I like how the chimera looks.

I understand eve isn't a grind to lvl 60 then PvP game, I was thinking about flying around in t1 frigs and destroyers to learn for a while then move out when I became competent. Looks like that's what I will be doing. I know I have a lot to learn in this game, I'm just excited to fly my favorite ship.

I would only intentionally put my carrier in a battle after I had lived in null for a while. I hear they are pretty good for ratting, and for hauling which sounds fine to me.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-01-12 09:58:48 UTC
Skillpoints aren't what you need to fly a carrier. They are supposed to prevent you from flying one until you have done some PVP in something else first.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Cpt Numnutz Nuttingtons
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-01-12 10:07:52 UTC
Curious, I do need skill points to fly ships. Whi yoo so confuse? Indeed I need to go out and learn about how null works before flying a large and expensive ship. Its gonna be hard but I enjoy the chimera a lot, I really want to fly one so I want to learn how to fly one, I guess I was getting a bit ahead of myself thinking that the best way to learn how to fly it is to fly one. I suppose I will go be an observer until I fully understand null mechanics.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-01-12 10:12:32 UTC
You should always start PVP in frigates, destroyers, and cruisers because you will lose ships a lot. What you really need to get the hang of is fleet mechanics. Before you fly a chimera, you should be competent as a beginner fleet commander. Before you fly a chimera, you should understand nullsec sovereignty and capital ship mobilizations. I don't expect you to be a decent chimera pilot without at least 3-6 months active experience in nullsec.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Lucretia DeWinter
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-01-12 10:33:31 UTC
As you've scrimped and saved and borrowed to get one - the best piece of advice you'll ever get is:

Download the Singularity Test Server and practice on that. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Singularity

Otherwise, you're breaking the rule of Don't Fly What You Can't Lose. Get used to how carriers fly and using cynos and triage and combat refitting and fighters and 10 drone ratting fits in a safe environment.

Look for a corp that has been around a while and ask them if they have capital pilots, a cap building program and ship replacement.

Check out youtube for carriers in action (I'd recommend the awesome R&K vids, like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMFahR4wXTg&list=PL3347CF1BC6B976FA&feature=c4-overview-vl ) Andy Landon has some nice Chimera videos covering the core concepts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjMvpQpcEFE
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#15 - 2014-01-12 10:36:54 UTC
There's already some good advice from the other posters.
Also be aware that probably all nullsec alliances use fleet doctrines... you might end up wanting a different carrier by the time you're ready to field one.

And regarding the looks of that ship... when I once used that argument to defend my choice for a ship I got counseled and was told: "If you can look at your ship while being in a large nullsec fleet battle, you are doing it wrong."
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#16 - 2014-01-12 10:38:30 UTC
Myriad Blaze wrote:
"If you can look at your ship while being in a large nullsec fleet battle, you are doing it wrong."


Or you have a monster PC build from begging for money on your stream . . . oh to far?

Honor is a fools prize. [I]Glory is of no use to the dead.[/I]

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GazBoi08
x13
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2014-01-12 10:44:21 UTC
as an owner of a chimera (no im not proud) all i can say is its marginally OK for ratting and not much else, caldari caps suck
Kryptik Kai
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2014-01-12 10:46:55 UTC
Please be sure to have fraps running with your mic audio recorded.

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WASPY69
Xerum.
#19 - 2014-01-12 13:49:22 UTC
I can't help myself thinking this thread is either another troll, or the OP is for real and this is the start of the next Caldari capital ALOD.

My piece of advice, leave your Chimera sitting in the hangar! No offence but you shouldn't be undocking a carrier anytime soon. A carrier is a PVP ship (primarily) used in fleets, and NOT a step up from your Navy Raven and level 4's. If you use your carrier for PVE, you will only find yourself ganked due to inexperience.
Join a bigger alliance, hop in a battlecruiser and/or battleship doctrine and get used to flying Logi. Because the Chimera really is a logistics ship.

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Plug in Baby
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-01-12 14:00:38 UTC
You should skill and buy caps when your corp tells you to, that way you know you have it for a purpose and you have the right one.

Buying a carrier then trying to find a way to use it is just a bit backward really, you are limiting yourself to a few corps that you may not be right for you, or more likely won't want you.

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