Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The burden of proof is on YOU because YOU are the one suggesting the change. If YOU cannot prove there is a problem caused by this issue then why should we even listen to you?

So far you have failed to even prove that suicide ganking was even effected by this change (my guess is that it wasnt). Once you prove that then you also need to prove that the way things are is broken. After that you need to suggest a change and show how that change will fix the broken state of the game.

Also, honestly, sec status means nothing. If I want to organize a suicide gank, all I have to do is undock 2-3 orcas full of catalysts with the correct fit, then I just sit in a safe spot and have everyone warp to me. When the time is right, I jettison all the catalysts and everyone boards, warps off and its gank o'clock, they never meet concord, they never have a problem.

Who guy cry about what? The thread is about the fact that a gang of 15 destroyers is able to kill over 20 missioning battleshisp and marauders everyday. Not some guy, but TWENTY players are losing ships to just one suicide gangs every day.

21 ships killed just on 12/01/14 :

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=JIis#13896908966371&if_height=170

And to stop all trolls comments about how they deserve to die because dare to fly anything than cheap battleships, you have the proof that gankers may want to kill you even if fly a cheap battleship with very cheap modules:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21510881

Edit: also please stop rattle about overheating modules, over-tanking ships, etc, because if 15-16 destroyers shoot your ship, with any tank, you will melt before can overheat anything.

Edit 2: And i not lost any ship to that gang, because i don't do missions or mining, i just noticed in local that guys who become GCC every 15-20 minutes, and that made me curious to look after them on killboards... what i found shocked me... and also made me jealous a bit, i must admit
So if CCP will let this going on i look forward to a change on my career in eve

TO be fair.. you CAN do a vargur or golem that tanks 16 destroyers. But with the cost t you will jsut attrack 30 of them :P

Twelve to fifteen plus organized players able to kill twenty, one at a time. Shock, Horror! Where in EVE can you go 12 to one and expect to live?



And that battleship is an awful fit being put out of it's misery.


Now, explain to the class why suicide ganking is bad, without using cost as your entire argument.

And explain how tags are linked in any way to suicide ganking, since what, half a dozen gankers in this thread have told you outright that -10 is a badge of honour, and a load of other people have pointed out that sec status is not hard to increase.

Correct. And if your goal is just to have some fun logic games you are doing well. But if you want to actually sway others to your arguments and try and enact change, you will need more than just your logic and idle observations.

Now i will try to explain what you ask, but please start using your brain for few minutes, is a requirement. So...

1. First, i give a simple analogy to understand how good/netral things can become very bad:
Alcohol is not bad by itself, ok? We almost all drink from time to time, is pleasant, but... if you drink to much it become very unhealthy, even toxic. You destroy your liver, stomach, brain and so on. You start to catch? No? OK, we continue with explication.

Suicide ganking is a valid tactic and a part of gameplay. OK? We agree till this point. But... if a single gang become able to destroy dozens of mission ships every day (they managed to destroy twenty one faction batlleships and marauders in 24 hours, on 12/01/14 for example) we will run very soon out of victims, in this case guys who do missions. You may believe that resource is infinite? Then you are not the first one who think that some resources are infinite... don't worry. But think now that we have 5-6 gangs like that one, or maybe more, is still no problem? Or you will say that is not possible because people don't know how to suicide gang? Maybe not... but most likely they can learn.

2. Second, despite the fact that is obvious you not even took a look on that killboard, do a small effort and check what security status have the members of that gang... they have -10 security status? No, they are not -10, even after killed hundred of ships in high sec many days and hours in the row, moreover, all of them are above -2 so they can move free even in 1.0 systems. You think is a coincidence, some magic and secret spells? No, they use security tags because that let them to use their characters in high sec without any impediment. I was clear enough?

If you need any other explications please tell me, i am here to help

Read again what i wrote before and connect the dots if you can. About security tags you have half right, increasing the price is best solution, but only CCP can do that by reducing the supply, not players.

lol @ thread.

How about leaving high sec to some more transparent environments like 0.0, where you mostly know who people are, who is likely going to gank you and who very likely isnt?

The marginally lower sec status of that system means you get a slightly higher LP payout. It also means Concord arrives slower. Increased reward = increased risk.

I wouldn't suicide gank as it is simply a game of mathematics:

TS{tsq}*sec + yDs*dsq = expTS

Where TS = Target ship
tsq = target ship quality
sec = security factor
yDs = number of destroyers
dsq = destroyer quality

expTs = explosive mushroom cloud of tears

This holds no appeal to me particularly, but I fully accept that every time I undock I am at risk...that's why we have medical clones, insurance, and always fly ships we can afford to lose (everybody does that right?).

Disclaimer: No actual target ships were harmed in the creation of this post