Missions & Complexes

I brought it up because all the good level 5s are in systems with nasty people. We need to move the good stuff away from them and promote more team play amongst random people at anytime. Right now lvl5's are dead because the PvPers won't let anyone do them.

Rather than moving all the missions it would be much easier to just add a pvp flagging system so I can go there and not have to be greifed with my 5 alts...or just remove pvp all together. Other MMOs have done this to great success.

isk-per-minute ratio would be insane!!!! I hate waiting around for incursions to come near my mission hub and then get beat out by a more experienced team. No pvp means we could even do the incursions in low sec!!!!

I like the idea of lvl 4 missions, keeping similar rewards for all players when done in groups. This keeps them from being as porfitable as incursions and still encourages team play. The escalation suggestion made earlier in this thread could be a way of doing that.

Besides that I think lvl 5 missions should stay in low sec and get a buff. CCP has repeatedly stated that they want people to move out of high sec (which I think is a good thing), so it has to be worth the added risk. (this especially goes for mining in low sec as well, though there is a delicate market balance that needs to be taken into account there)

Maybe more lvl 5 agents are needed so people can do them spread out a bit more to avoid gankers all waiting for them in the same spot (I havent actually done many lvl 5 missions so not sure how this stands atm).


my 2 cents, is that it's a nice idea and when carefully thought through and properly balanced it has merit

I like the idea of group missions. Some random thoughts and questions to throw out there, or maybe just incoherent rambling

Incursions are pretty simple, they spawn in a system and any fleet can engage them. Pretty simple game mechanic

For the group missions:

How could they be accessed and by whom?

Would every level of agent, from 1-5, offer them to whoever had the proper standing?
- new players could group up from day one and advance together through teamwork
- perhaps they could only begin accessing the group missions after the tutorial missions are complete?
- could tie in to the power of 2 subscription deal and perhaps expand it to recruit a squad or something?

Would there be special agents for them?
- say they are only available when you can do lvl4s or better, wow style heroics anyone?
- should someone with access be able to "tow" players with lower standings to skill them up?
- would these special agents have their own LP stores with their own rewards to make them worth the trouble?

Would the fleet commander be the only one who could request the mission?
- would the person acting as FC actually need leadership skills trained?
- Maybe lvl 1-2 would not require them but 3 and above would since they are more difficult?
- basic training ground for FC to move on to PVP or making their own corp?

Would the missions be available to NPC corp members or only player corps?
- If NPC corps can access them, people would never leave them
- If only player corps can access them then that would be an incentive to get people out of the "noob" corps?
- group mission access based solely on corp standings?

What kind of group missions would there be and c/w/should they focus on character specialization or build diversity?
Security missions
- Obviously combat skills and tactics, but also electronic warefare, logistics and other combat support roles
- AE bonus room on steroids with a bad case of VD or if you think Guristas jam to much now you ain't seen nothing
Mining missions
- could provide access to more deadspace pockets with rare ore but also have more dangerous rats.
- could tie in with PI and production as well as POS operation
Distribution missions
- escorts through safe and hostile space to fill market orders, got trade skills leveled up?
- system scouting and scanning, dealing with gate camp scenarios
- piracy?

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Muestereate & Klymer, Thanks for your posts, I wont quote them to avoid the "holy wall of text."

your points are valid and your questions challenging. This is good for the brainstorming and thought process. Again, thank you for your input...now to the questions and concerns.

Muestereate: Reward balance is a major concern and would require carefull concideration by CCP if this is looked into. When this idea was posted I stated I was making no suggestions on the rewards of such activity. This was to allow the group to discuss possibilities rather than if they agreed on my views. This stance still remains, I personally do not want to get into the rewards discussion to stay non-biased.

That being said the group hasn't been asking for much, just not to be penalized for flying in groups. LP and Tag prices is for another thread, but is good for thinking for balance.

Klymer:
Accessibility: Pilots dont usually run lower lvl missions for long. To keep the inline stream of better skills and better expirience, They could be Lvl 4 missions in which the person accepting the mission has access to. The others just need to fleet with them.

Special Agents: That is what i thought at first but an escalation idea was brought up that would make it easier to incorperate into the game with the agents already there. Possibly being in a fleet means the agent will offer a group mission.

Fleet commanders: You are thinking on the scale of incursions. I was thinking small 2-3 man fleets. Missions are simple and need would need little guidance. Leadership skills would just be a bonus

Type of missions: Getting a little ahead on this one. Players will most likely see this as combat missions

Final thoughts..I see this as the next step in missions preparing the pilot for incursions. Small group warfare with combat mission running ships. As far as balance and its effect on markets I do not see one (I may be wrong) if the rewards were the same if you were running solo. Two ships will run a mission in 1\2 the time. So it would be the same if both pilots were running solo. Pilots say "I lose half my bounties cause i have another in fleet". Really they are losing half the LP and Mission Rewards. This would be a way to remove that penalty and add another group activity.
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This post is awful and you should feel bad for making it.

At least give me a reason....I have no objection to people not agreeing with me, but at least present some reasoning...who kmnows, you may convince me with your stunning logic, artful prose and gifted intellect?[/quote]

All of it?

The solution is not adding more iskLP pumping resources to high sec and inflating the economy even more. The solution is reducing high sec incursion payout and buffing low sec payout.

And caps in high sec? Thats about as stupid as it gets.

I work 40+ hrs a week and have a life. Guess what? I also am in a null alliance and have a cap and go on ops here and there.

As for "getting used to them." Use the test server. Caps are supposed to be a high risk investment.



So tired of this argument from high sec entitlement attitudes. Carriers in high sec would destroy high sec pvp (it already is garbage), make pve even easier and give one more reason to stay in cushioned high sec.

Players want high end content? Then they need to leave Concord safe high sec and go after it.

God you are terrible at this.

Why does my personal gameplay have to reflect on how I think the game should run? Hint: it shouldn't. I've never been the victim of a supercap rapetrain but I still think they need a nerf. Point being, just because it doesn't affect me, doesn't mean my arguments are invalid.

Caps are not in high sec for good reason.

As for the real life thing, it was an example. Plenty of other people doing it as well. I didn't say everyone else MUST DO IT, I simply made a point that it is more than possible, you know, countering your statement that its not possible.

And not pvping at others discretion? Too bad?....pvp is not a consensual thing in Eve, hence why we have warp disruptors/scrams and hictors/dictors and bubbles. You know, instead of pvp flags that toggle on/off when we can fight each other.

Seriously???

Can you guys be anymore off topic? Lvl 5 missions...caps in highsec?

If your offended by this...you have figured out im talking to you. read post #1 (all of it) before posting. nobody minds a idea thrown out there that wont work or not a good idea...the ppl in this thread have been very good about not flaming others thoughts. But this is so off topic, and was stated that lvl 5 in high sec was not on the items for discussion.

A simple response to your post should of been (Off Topic) and left at that but now we have to read through 9 post i believe of wasted thread space. Now stay on topic. if you have something on topic please comment on it. Useful or not it can open the door to other possibilities or a point of view someone else may not see.

It makes me sad, and I feel bad admitting it, but I really, really like your style.