Intergalactic Summit

now to amass a fleet of epic size and have Kimmy lead us into battle against the filthy Gallenteans, who's with me!?!

Yet injustices done to ancestors you never met, and assumed true without witness, seem to be all the justification you require for your own belligerence. Amusing.

None of this is surprising, as it is sadly all to well known that whenever Amarr kidnap people it's because we're all "Evil Slavers" but when the Minmatar do the exact same thing and worse they're called "Freedom Fighters."

How is that for stupid stereotypes, hmm?



I should wonder how much the average Federation citizen knows about the Black Eagles and what they do behind closed doors? I would guess the answer would be about as much as you do about these "Pure Warrior" programs, then.

In a sense my niece was very fortunate: Being a "mongrel halfbreed" (their words, of course) made her exempt from their little breeding programs. Not all those whom were kidnapped were so lucky, and were thus handed out like candies at a holiday to whatever "champions" desired them.

But naturally your own little version of the Elder Fleet invasion bares no mention of this, or anything else like it, and just as naturally I know that nothing will ever make you realize it because you will simply refuse to see it, no matter how plainly it is laid before you.



I would ask the same question, but it would only fall on deaf ears.

It is precisely people such as yourselves that stand between New Eden and any sort of dream of a lasting peace; and in that sense it is people like you who inadvertently bring more pain & misery to the Minmatar people than the whole of the 24th Crusade could ever hope to. I.E: If you spent as much on schools & hospitals as you did on missiles & raiding ships then you might actually someday get included on my little list of peoples with something positive to offer the whole of New Eden.

It only makes me glad that Midular is slowly displacing the Shakor Regime. It would be nice to see that famous Minmatar inventiveness used for something constructive for a change.

Whenever a conservative Amarrian tries to compare the Elder attacks to Amarrian slavery I physically feel pain. No matter how you try to put it, a one day invasion is not equal to centuries of oppression, forced labor, and genocide.

Yes, the Elder attacks shoul have never happened. Yes, Shakor needs to be punished for his crimes agains humanity. Yet there is nothing the Matari have done to the Amarr that is comparable to what the Amarr have done to the Matari.

Take the Elder attacks, imagine the arocities went on for nine generations, and then you might be able to draw a parallel.

Its not a matter of who suffered more. I agree that game is a dangerous one. The problem here is the apologist attitude of many Amarrians.

No one who argues with the space dragon wants to do so twice...he makes absolutely no sense, can't have a decent conversation with crazy.

I came to read about opinions on the Caldari and Gallente relations, wound up talking about the other part of the cluster. I am mind boggled how anyone gets anything done.

My doctoral dissertation was on Null Sec politics and I've been studying capsuleer politics in general for the past four years. This is the first time that I've been able to opine such with actual capsuleers.

The Elder Fleet was an attack, made during an era of stated peace, where we even have a doctrinal book on how not to invade the Matari. It targeted not the worst offenders, but the most easily assailable. It also targeted the only body of law and order we have.

If the Amarr have to live with having invaded, killed, and conquered all those years ago, specifically in a time when nobody I know was actually alive, I'm not sure what makes that act any better. The Amarrians of their time thought they were justified because the Matari were supposedly ignorant and didn't know the right way to do things. If we accept that those principles were invalid, then the Elder invasion is no different, aside from the fact that our empire survived it.

You would think the idea that those two attacks are equitable says more about the modern Amarrian outlook. We are comparing it to something that's universally wrong. I think the only way they wouldn't be able to be brought up in the same breath is if we discount intent and instead categorize in terms of effectiveness. I don't think that's necessarily wise. Murderers shouldn't be somehow less reviled if they killed 500 than 1,000.

In any case, I don't personally know anyone that has invaded and enslaved the Republic or attacked CONCORD and invaded the Empire. Assuming a human gestation of twenty to thirty years, essentially all of the Matari slave lines who have been continuously enslaved since the original conquest were freed by the emancipation. The Elder Fleet was decimated and sent to scramble back to the Republic for salvation.

Perhaps what would help is to view these events more objectively. Anger is a chain that stops us from thinking clearly. If we're all accountable for the sins of our fathers and brothers, we're all condemned.

It's how we keep balance in the cluster. If to much progress is made in any given debate, or tempers get to high, we divert the topic. And the cluster's issues remain at a low boil.

There is quite a bit of truth to this - not unlike the discussion around "Winmatar" and border systems. Victory brings the fruits of victory and then... boredom.

In fact, it seems a good moment in history to be examining the psychology of null security space.

It is quite possible that for the first time more or less ever, someone has passed the physical tipping point. The battlefield remains fluid, etc etc etc, but it appears victory may well be denied only through the intervention of an unpredictable external force.

How do those in the tsunami's path cope? Does it fire up some unique psychic alchemy with which they might turn the tide? Or does inevitability become a contagion that prompts strategic retreats, thereby fulfilling the prophecy ahead of schedule?

The question must also be asked of the tsunami. Victory means a lot of bored fingers on doomsday triggers. The defeated will begin an endless sequence of small, biting attacks, none of which will satisfy the primal urge to melt five thousand hulls at once. Does the tsunami split in two and turn enormous scale conflict into sport?

On the whole, it is probably better to have the tsunami's future dilemmas than those of the current beaches, but many personalities positively thrive under siege. Myself, of course, well I tend to thrive on a deck chair. Yes, sweetie, another please thank you.