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Gallente-Caldari Relations, Are They Improving?

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#221 - 2014-01-24 18:00:35 UTC
There are worse fates than everything except the worst fate. Some of those fates are also not great.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#222 - 2014-01-24 18:08:24 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Thank you all, you're far too kind.

To touch a little on your replies, maybe I should be more straightforward. Hakatain-haan is right, it's not a religious thing that ties us to the homeworld. It's cultural. Even those of us who think we shouldn't return do so because of how cold winds shaped us - that's the pragmatism of hard winters speaking, not a new spaceborn political ideology.

I should also note that while our cultures' deep link to Caldari is unique in the Cluster, this doesn't make us special. Father, your culture has brought you different things that you feel as deeply as we. I can't fathom the ways that hot sands and broad fields of wheat might have moulded you, but they're just as important.

Think of those things that define the word 'home' to you; consider the ways that the places and travels of your cultures birth still impress themselves on your people. Then you will be closer to understanding how the winds can move between the stars, and why we would sacrifice so much to win our homeworld back.


I don't mean to derail the topic at hand so much; this sort of reflection between Caldari is what helps us all to understand the Caldari mindset. I did want to respond to this somewhat.

I suppose it's a bit different being an Amarrian as we're not necessarily a people defined by race or boundaries. "Home" to me was a broad floodplain halfway around the planet from the island where our original predecessors accepted the mandate of God. It's not the same to all other Amarrians, indeed, not all who share my faith came from the same planet. There is a bit of Udorian in me, some Ni-kunni, some recent Matari mixed into the largely Amarrian stock, so the concept of "home" in a spiritual sense doesn't mean anything.

I say that because the Amarrian people don't reference back to a historical location, but a very clear present connection. The faith is a living thing, and somewhat hard to describe to people who have not felt it before. It's a strange sensation, to feel it sort of pull you not in any general direction, but somehow outward the way a lens can collapse a view into a smaller space. It's a feeling that, no matter where I am, connects me to everyone else that shares it. You can almost feel all the rest of the faith's parish, the way you can't always see your leg but you know that it is there.

I suppose that's one reason I enjoy travel so much; home isn't a place I leave. Home is a place I take with me, and a place I make every time someone joins us in the faith. It's a vast house built of faithful souls, a place you can take a sort of refuge in when life seems difficult. Out there, somewhere, you can feel everyone else comforting you, understanding your dilemmas and providing you warmth.

It has a word in Amarrian, but I don't think there is a direct translation into any other language. It is the feeling of one-ness, of togetherness, of being a part of something that doesn't follow the boundaries of physics the way time and space do. It's a strange feeling of never actually having gone anywhere because you never actually leave anything behind, it turns distance and hardship into illusions you can suddenly see through, like a mirage on those sands you mentioned.

I often call it the Golden House since it translates better through one of my old stories and I don't want to lose any of my potential converts by tossing some of our more arcane Amarrian at them. It really isn't something that exists in any other culture. There is something similar sometimes, but not quite the same. The feeling where you can reach out and seem to feel every member of your faith, and through them all can almost feel the warmth of the divine, beckoning from beyond the cold, opening to a place beyond sensation.

That's home, and I'm never far away from it.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#223 - 2014-01-24 18:09:41 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
There are worse fates than everything except the worst fate. Some of those fates are also not great.

I, uh. Ow.

I think that the peer review process is a good thing!
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#224 - 2014-01-24 18:10:53 UTC
That's a very interesting explanation Father. Now imagine someone took that from you - what would you not do to get it back? And the people who took it? What would you NOT do, in your striving against them?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#225 - 2014-01-24 18:21:29 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
That's a very interesting explanation Father. Now imagine someone took that from you - what would you not do to get it back? And the people who took it? What would you NOT do, in your striving against them?


It's a hard question to answer. It's not something that can be taken away, it's something you have to give away. Like I said, the concept of a cultural identity that can be taken doesn't have a parallel in the Amarrian faith. In the long life of the universe, all our planets will eventually be consumed by their suns, everything that was on them will decay and fall apart. The most high does not dwell in the temples built by the hands of man.

I can understand the reason you might want the planet under your control; it's a valuable part of your heritage. If I was to say I could relate to it, though, I don't think I could honestly do that. Faith, and the Golden House, is not within the grasp of human hands. It's simply not something anyone can take away from you, which is a bit why I asked the question in the first place.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Utsukushi Shi
State War Academy
Caldari State
#226 - 2014-01-24 18:24:28 UTC
I was born in Saisio not Luminaire.

I was born in the tropics where no cold wind blows.

To be quite honest I could not care less about the fate of Caldari Prime.

But my kirjuun do. So I stand with them.
Anslo
Scope Works
#227 - 2014-01-24 19:30:35 UTC
So relating to the OP....was the question ever answered or...?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#228 - 2014-01-24 19:42:59 UTC
Anslo wrote:
So relating to the OP....was the question ever answered or...?

We found, I believe, that the question has no answer. Or it's still in debate, at least.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#229 - 2014-01-24 19:43:04 UTC
I believe that the consensus thus far is that with the question of Caldari Prime settled in at least the short-term, the immediacy of the conflict is lessening, but given the prejudices of some individuals on both sides of the divide and the continuation of the CEWPA war, relations are likely to remain problematic.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#230 - 2014-01-24 19:55:47 UTC
Anslo wrote:
So relating to the OP....was the question ever answered or...?


The short answer is yes, but there's a long way to go yet.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Ailer Stane
Doomheim
#231 - 2014-01-24 23:15:13 UTC
I fear knowing the mood within the Federation that what will be heard from this informative exchange is Mr. Sarice’s assertion.
Jace Sarice wrote:
And we are not finished.

What we say matters, what we don't say often matters more.
It troubles me that the Gallente voices, even the angry ones have grown silent.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#232 - 2014-01-24 23:24:54 UTC
Ailer Stane wrote:
I fear knowing the mood within the Federation that what will be heard from this informative exchange is Mr. Sarice’s assertion.
Jace Sarice wrote:
And we are not finished.

What we say matters, what we don't say often matters more.
It troubles me that the Gallente voices, even the angry ones have grown silent.
lots of voices from all corners of the galaxy have gone silent.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#233 - 2014-01-24 23:32:06 UTC
Ailer Stane wrote:

It troubles me that the Gallente voices, even the angry ones have grown silent.


Ishukone remains vocal enough that it should placate your troubled heart.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#234 - 2014-01-25 00:22:21 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Ailer Stane wrote:

It troubles me that the Gallente voices, even the angry ones have grown silent.


Ishukone remains vocal enough that it should placate your troubled heart.


Ojabuun, that is classic you. Do you want inter-corporate bad feeling? Because that is how you get inter-corporate bad feeling.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#235 - 2014-01-25 00:32:53 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Ojabuun, that is classic you. Do you want inter-corporate bad feeling? Because that is how you get inter-corporate bad feeling.


A life lived without enemies is a life not lived at all; and I intend to live my own life to the fullest.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#236 - 2014-01-25 01:28:21 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Ailer Stane wrote:

It troubles me that the Gallente voices, even the angry ones have grown silent.


Ishukone remains vocal enough that it should placate your troubled heart.


Ojabuun, that is classic you. Do you want inter-corporate bad feeling? Because that is how you get inter-corporate bad feeling.

I wouldn't worry about it. Most everyone I know that could be counted as enemies have simply expanded their block lists and moved on. I'm sure the fan club will carry on. Most of the rest of the cluster wont give a damn.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Ailer Stane
Doomheim
#237 - 2014-01-25 02:59:01 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Ailer Stane wrote:

It troubles me that the Gallente voices, even the angry ones have grown silent.


Ishukone remains vocal enough that it should placate your troubled heart.

I was unaware that Ishukone is considered a Gallente voice.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#238 - 2014-01-25 03:04:41 UTC
Ailer Stane wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Ailer Stane wrote:

It troubles me that the Gallente voices, even the angry ones have grown silent.


Ishukone remains vocal enough that it should placate your troubled heart.

I was unaware that Ishukone is considered a Gallente voice.


Where some would consider being named a Liberal an insult and pejorative; most Gallente appear to self-identify as subscribing to its principles.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#239 - 2014-01-25 03:24:14 UTC
Ailer Stane wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Ailer Stane wrote:

It troubles me that the Gallente voices, even the angry ones have grown silent.


Ishukone remains vocal enough that it should placate your troubled heart.

I was unaware that Ishukone is considered a Gallente voice.

You'll quickly find that the voices doing the loudest crying over Ishukone... Aren't Ishukone. Moitte.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Ailer Stane
Doomheim
#240 - 2014-01-25 03:38:12 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Ailer Stane wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Ailer Stane wrote:

It troubles me that the Gallente voices, even the angry ones have grown silent.


Ishukone remains vocal enough that it should placate your troubled heart.

I was unaware that Ishukone is considered a Gallente voice.


Where some would consider being named a Liberal an insult and pejorative; most Gallente appear to self-identify as subscribing to its principles.

Was that an answer? Or simply a prejudicial statement?