EVE General Discussion

Our enemy can match our subcap numbers. I would also expect CCP to make alterations to fighters to be effective vs BS yet still vulnerable to smaller ships.

The current carrier blob will be nerfed, it ticks every box that caused the last five capital nerfs and nobody has made any attempt to contest what we have been saying for a good year now with anything other than "goon tears" and "just bring more capitals".

It's almost as though you're ignorantly unaware of Omegafleet.

His arguement boils down to "our blob is expensive and should be invincible to subcaps". I am not too sure invalidating 90% of ships and most pilots and every alliance that cannot match N3s super fleet (all of them including the CFC) is much of an argument for keeping this gamebreaking fleet.

Its more or less a word for word argument used by the same people that abused capitals in the past. It hasn't stopped the last five nerfs and wont stop this sixth one.

From the TMC article: "The CFC has been relying strictly on Dominix fleets in this southern war to try to prove some point to CCP about drone assist and sentry drones in general. In a recent fight, Black Legion proved just how lethal Maelstroms could be to a fleet of sentry archons by alphaing them to death with relative ease. During the Fountain campaign, Megathron fleets smashed into a sentry carrier fleet and were able to murder them with an ease that shocked TEST. In this war, we're instead seeing the Domis, which have fairly low DPS and alpha in comparison to the platforms we've seen actually kill the carriers. The Dominix in its current form is not a cap killer. It'll destroy any subcap it sees, but when faced with capital ships it lacks the punch of other options available to the CFC, options they've used in the past to win wars."

This is something that is wondering me, as a passive bystander, too. It has been discussed briefly in this forum, why the CFC doesnt use their Megas anymore, which were absolutely lethal in Fountain (and great looking). I am really interested in what you guys think.

From what I´ve read there is a lot of chest beating going on ala "CFC should field slowcats too, so we can kill them" by N3/PL. Would be interesting to see if they would actually succeed.

Because it is pretty much the textbook definition of overpowered: if nothing can beat X other than having more X:es than the opponent, then this inherently means that X is always the optimal choice. The existence of all other options are meaningless because they're not any kind of real options in practice. No matter what you throw at it, X is better.

“Get one yourself” is the final resignation to this fact: that the only counter to X is X+1.

Good. Overpowered things should be changed.

CFC subcap numbers arent deciding the fight. So they claim "nerf". Happened with the Drake vs Titan/super fleet as well.

Dont take the CFC seriously. No matter how "objective" their argument may be presented; its not.

If they go down without using "slowcats" themselves, you could say they're sticking with their point and it may have merit. Untill then this is just another attempt at dominating EVE as all their "nerf high-sec" threads are.

They're not forumwarriors. They're forum cagefighters. Dont step into that ring and get punched into nothingness. Ignore what they have to say.

Dont forget that "bring x+1" is not the only counter to slowcats, at least not "on paper". Stuff like Omegafleet or the Fountain Megathron fleets just haven´t been tried out on field yet.

So how would (could?) such a force be countered?

We would need 1600 mega alone before we start killing archons and CCP nor anyone else wants capitals online.