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Highsec PvP-ers needed for foreverwar against Goons

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#621 - 2014-01-21 16:50:57 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Im as random to you as you are random to me. Or is your alliance something to care about? Nope. At least I am not a wannabe pet of a null bloc alliance. Keep trying. Maybe one day they will let you in. Probably not though.
lol, where do people get this moronic idea that we want to be in goons. I'm in SMA, shock horror, because I have friends there. Same as any other alliance.

Leto Thule wrote:
The reason you wont explain it, is because you are incorrect. While I dont care for them, I have no rage for the goons. I respect their accomplishments if anything. They are good at what they do, or they wouldn't be here. A few of them could use attitiude adjustments, but thats in no shortage here, and doesnt set them aside. So again, ill ask you to point out where I "sperg raged". Please do.
The fact that you can't separate your out of game hate from the game and spew horseshit like this post and your previous... that's sperg rage. You have no actual facts to add, and you barely have opinions. You come in here with your preconceived hatred of goons and spout nonsense at people. Honestly, if you tried actually reading the thread you might do better, but you are pretty much just echoing the same nonsense that's previously been stated.

Leto Thule wrote:
Your answer of question 4 is laughable. Losing ships does not help no matter how much you wanna church it up to "lessons" being learned. Also, if you would read my posts without your choker chain on, you would see that I am not in anyone's corner here. I have no doubts this has no effect on the alliance. Its just funny.
OK, so apparently explaining it in simple terms doesn't work. OK genius. You explain to me how some idiot losing a blinged out battleship in Jita affects me or our coalition.

Leto Thule wrote:
And you sir, are golden entertainment while im stuck at work waiting for them to close the base cause of snow....
I'm not sure if you want me to congratulate you on your employment or your joy of bad weather. Round this way, Burger King is open even when it snows.

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Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#622 - 2014-01-21 16:52:09 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
I know there's a language barrier, but sheesh, at least try.


Sad I'm sorry, however hard I try, I can't speak raging aspi sperglord....

D.

Bear

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#623 - 2014-01-21 16:57:49 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
I know there's a language barrier, but sheesh, at least try.
Sad I'm sorry, however hard I try, I can't speak raging aspi sperglord....
Oh noes! Once again, right on the feelings! However will I cope with your well thought out personal attacks. Goodbye cruel world, I hardly knew thee.

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#624 - 2014-01-21 16:58:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Leto Thule
Lucas Kell wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Im as random to you as you are random to me. Or is your alliance something to care about? Nope. At least I am not a wannabe pet of a null bloc alliance. Keep trying. Maybe one day they will let you in. Probably not though.
lol, where do people get this moronic idea that we want to be in goons. I'm in SMA, shock horror, because I have friends there. Same as any other alliance.

Leto Thule wrote:
The reason you wont explain it, is because you are incorrect. While I dont care for them, I have no rage for the goons. I respect their accomplishments if anything. They are good at what they do, or they wouldn't be here. A few of them could use attitiude adjustments, but thats in no shortage here, and doesnt set them aside. So again, ill ask you to point out where I "sperg raged". Please do.
The fact that you can't separate your out of game hate from the game and spew horseshit like this post and your previous... that's sperg rage. You have no actual facts to add, and you barely have opinions. You come in here with your preconceived hatred of goons and spout nonsense at people. Honestly, if you tried actually reading the thread you might do better, but you are pretty much just echoing the same nonsense that's previously been stated.

Leto Thule wrote:
Your answer of question 4 is laughable. Losing ships does not help no matter how much you wanna church it up to "lessons" being learned. Also, if you would read my posts without your choker chain on, you would see that I am not in anyone's corner here. I have no doubts this has no effect on the alliance. Its just funny.
OK, so apparently explaining it in simple terms doesn't work. OK genius. You explain to me how some idiot losing a blinged out battleship in Jita affects me or our coalition.

Leto Thule wrote:
And you sir, are golden entertainment while im stuck at work waiting for them to close the base cause of snow....
I'm not sure if you want me to congratulate you on your employment or your joy of bad weather. Round this way, Burger King is open even when it snows.


Have you read my posts? I have not given you any "facts" to dispute! Take your own advice. Read. For god sakes, YOU QUOTED where I said I KNOW IT HAS NO EFFECT on the alliance, and then YOU WROTE ABOUT how I think it will!!

Literally, all I wrote was that its funny. The whole situation. Your dedication to an alliance you aren't part of is the best part.

SHOW ME where I have posted anything other than exactly what this post says. You cant, because I havent.

I guess your attempting to say I work at burger king? Lol... because I dont share your opinion of internet spaceships politics I must earn minimum wage and be a complete failure in all my endeavors.

Grow up.

Edit: No offense intended for anyone working at BK. A job is a job, and having one is better than being a mooch on society. Kudos to hard workers.

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Usman Bello
United States of Winning
#625 - 2014-01-21 17:00:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Usman Bello
Joan Greywind wrote:

Well under that logic how do you feel to a be pet (his logic not mine) and affiliated with the drama queen and spergelorg gevlon?

While Marmite and the Lemmings fight side by side, we have the Goons in an "unleash the dog" kind of style instructing RvB to defend their stuff for them.

Care to see the difference?

Or do you think we would now look at the ruins of the once mighty Goonswarm Federation if RvB wouldn't have decided to take up arms against some small alliance on behalf of the goons? A real act of chivalry, given the numbers. Lol

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#626 - 2014-01-21 17:11:02 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Have you read my posts? I have not given you any "facts" to dispute! Take your own advice. Read. For god sakes, YOU QUOTED where I said I KNOW IT HAS NO EFFECT on the alliance, and then YOU WROTE ABOUT how I think it will!!

Literally, all I wrote was that its funny. The whole situation. Your dedication to an alliance you aren't part of is the best part.

SHOW ME where I have posted anything other than exactly what this post says. You cant, because I havent.

Leto Thule wrote:
2) Goon pets standing up for their masters in a lame attempt to be brought into the swarm
Mmmhmmm. Do you really believe this is the case? all of the CFC one day dreams of being a goon? Or is it possible that it's simply mutually beneficial to become allies.
Leto Thule wrote:
4) Goons getting their **** pushed in by marmite then calling them campers
Noone is getting anything "pushed in", nothing is different now to when Marmite originally war decced. They camp Jita for profit, that's always been a given and nobody has an issue with that. Them suddenly stating that it's some epic battle against the goons is pretty stupid.

Basically everything you've written from the first post you did in here has been subtle jabs at the CFC. What are we to expect, you have clearly stated you have disdain for goons.

Leto Thule wrote:
I guess your attempting to say I work at burger king? Lol... because I dont share your opinion of internet spaceships politics I must earn minimum wage and be a complete failure in all my endeavors.

Grow up.
How did you break my incredibly sophisticated code?!?! And no, because it's fun to suggest you are on minimum wage and I'm very bored. Realistically I'd guess you are military, likely in the US.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#627 - 2014-01-21 17:16:42 UTC
Usman Bello wrote:
Joan Greywind wrote:

Well under that logic how do you feel to a be pet (his logic not mine) and affiliated with the drama queen and spergelorg gevlon?

While Marmite and the Lemmings fight side by side, we have the Goons in an "unleash the dog" kind of style instructing RvB to defend their stuff for them.

Care to see the difference?

Or do you think we would now look at the ruins of the once mighty Goonswarm Federation if RvB wouldn't have decided to take up arms against some small alliance on behalf of the goons? A real act of chivalry, given the numbers. Lol
RvB had a pact with goons to join in on POCO defense. Attacking a POCO triggered that. Seriously, everyone including RvB has explained this to you. They have no financial gain, just a pre-agreed pact. The fact that it gives them target in high sec is just a bonus for them.

Marmite however are happy for Gevlon, who has in fact done nothing but provide a bit of cash to effectively take half of the credit for all of their kills. I'm fairly sure if you spoke to a casual observer you would easily be able to pass Gevlon off as the leader or Marmite. For that matter who is the leader of Marmite? Is it that General guy? I can't be bothered to look at their description.

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Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#628 - 2014-01-21 17:18:45 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
RvB had a pact with goons to join in on POCO defense. Attacking a POCO triggered that.


Ok mister sensible, How come it triggered in this particular case wheras it hasn't triggered in other cases?

D.

Bear

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Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#629 - 2014-01-21 17:21:51 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Joan Greywind wrote:
Danalee wrote:
This tread keeps delivering Lol

stuff

Bear


Stuff.


Quoted fully because you are awesome, Joan Greywind.

No scam, we are Gevlon's pets if he wishes. As long as the money's there... mehCool
I could even think of names more fitting than pets for what we do...

RVB protects the dumb goons (their own words) and to get good fights (on the jita undock?) or something... But I'm not making sense, right? Roll

You keep repeating we only camp Jita/gates, which indeed we do among other places and sometimes we don't even camp Lol But your fixation on where we conduct our business is rather strange, care to share why you keep hammering on that? Is it because... You lost something dear to you on some tradehub undock?

Care to tell me which part of all these simple verifiable facts is nonsensical in your limited mind?

D.

Bear


Well from your killboard, the vast majority of your kills are in jita and amarr or 1 jump from them, or the route between them. Also the vast majority of your kills are ganks, which I think is great by itself, but to call that leet PvP is another issue entirely. It's not that I disagree with your gameplay, I think you make highsec all that much more interesting. But for some reason you think you are doing this major damage to nullsec alliances, which news flash you aren't.

Also if I disagree with some points you are making does not automatically entail that I am "butthurt" about a loss, that is just cheap trick to play in argument that , in my humble opinion, are losing badly.

So you admit that you are "pets" but harp on RvB as if they did something horrible (I don't think they are, but for some reason you guys are pushing that agenda)? Hypocritical much?
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#630 - 2014-01-21 17:28:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Leto Thule
Lucas Kell wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Have you read my posts? I have not given you any "facts" to dispute! Take your own advice. Read. For god sakes, YOU QUOTED where I said I KNOW IT HAS NO EFFECT on the alliance, and then YOU WROTE ABOUT how I think it will!!

Literally, all I wrote was that its funny. The whole situation. Your dedication to an alliance you aren't part of is the best part.

SHOW ME where I have posted anything other than exactly what this post says. You cant, because I havent.

Leto Thule wrote:
2) Goon pets standing up for their masters in a lame attempt to be brought into the swarm
Mmmhmmm. Do you really believe this is the case? all of the CFC one day dreams of being a goon? Or is it possible that it's simply mutually beneficial to become allies.
Leto Thule wrote:
4) Goons getting their **** pushed in by marmite then calling them campers
Noone is getting anything "pushed in", nothing is different now to when Marmite originally war decced. They camp Jita for profit, that's always been a given and nobody has an issue with that. Them suddenly stating that it's some epic battle against the goons is pretty stupid.

Basically everything you've written from the first post you did in here has been subtle jabs at the CFC. What are we to expect, you have clearly stated you have disdain for goons.

Leto Thule wrote:
I guess your attempting to say I work at burger king? Lol... because I dont share your opinion of internet spaceships politics I must earn minimum wage and be a complete failure in all my endeavors.

Grow up.
How did you break my incredibly sophisticated code?!?! And no, because it's fun to suggest you are on minimum wage and I'm very bored. Realistically I'd guess you are military, likely in the US.


Do I think that CFC has aspirations of goon-dom? I would say a good bit of them do.

No, I dont hate goons any more than i hate any other alliance. As stated, I respect what they have attained, but like most non-CFC'ers, we set them red and they will be KOS.

My jabs are not just for the goonies. My very first post was that the funniest thing was a HS wardec on a NS alliance. I just call it how I see it.

Yes, I am prior service USAF. Now, I am an email cowboy for the Army Sad (like anyone cares, but posted for posterity)

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#631 - 2014-01-21 17:28:24 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
RvB had a pact with goons to join in on POCO defense. Attacking a POCO triggered that.
Ok mister sensible, How come it triggered in this particular case wheras it hasn't triggered in other cases?
What other cases? It's not that they leap into action the moment a wardec comes into effect. An anouncement was made that the POCOs would be targeted. Rather than wait RvB though "ooh targets" and joined immediately. The end.

Seriously, not everything is super complex and some kind of weird and convoluted conspiracy theory. Some stuff is just as it is.

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Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#632 - 2014-01-21 17:29:41 UTC
Joan Greywind wrote:
Well from your killboard, the vast majority of your kills are in jita and amarr or 1 jump from them, or the route between them. Also the vast majority of your kills are ganks, which I think is great by itself, but to call that leet PvP is another issue entirely. It's not that I disagree with your gameplay, I think you make highsec all that much more interesting. But for some reason you think you are doing this major damage to nullsec alliances, which news flash you aren't.

Thank you for looking a bit further, that's really a first. Where most kills are should tell you where the most... unaware players are, the easy targets hence - wait for it - we score more kills on them.
We get paid to do a job, and have a very high rate of succes proven by all the returning custommers and the fact we aren't out of business Lol

How many billions of isk would be considered damage? How much would be major damage?

Joan Greywind wrote:

Also if I disagree with some points you are making does not automatically entail that I am "butthurt" about a loss, that is just cheap trick to play in argument that , in my humble opinion, are losing badly.

I'm just playing along here, really. You have to admit you keep harping on and on about the location where mercs kill their targets... but I'll give you that, it wasn't very adult of me to tease you with that.

Joan Greywind wrote:

So you admit that you are "pets" but harp on RvB as if they did something horrible (I don't think they are, but for some reason you guys are pushing that agenda)? Hypocritical much?

Problem is, RVB isn't about protecting nullbear alliances or defending pocos or fighting wars with outsiders. They are about RED vs BLUE. so no, no hypocricy here... might want to look over there.

D.

Bear

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#633 - 2014-01-21 17:38:35 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Do I think that CFC has aspirations of goon-dom? I would say a good bit of them do.
Well then you don't know any of us. Like many other people you take enormous leaps to conclusions based on nothing. Honestly though, you can think what you want. It doesn't make me sad to think that you take bad propaganda as fact.

Leto Thule wrote:
No, I dont hate goons any more than i hate any other alliance. As stated, I respect what they have attained, but like most non-CFC'ers, we set them red and they will be KOS.
Yet you openly admit disdain for them. Hmmm. And good, KOS away, though if you hate all alliances equally maybe you should adopt NBSI instead. Saves on contacts.

Leto Thule wrote:
My jabs are not just for the goonies. My very first post was that the funniest thing was a HS wardec on a NS alliance. I just call it how I see it.
:D

Leto Thule wrote:
Yes, I am prior service USAF. Now, I am an email cowboy Sad (like anyone cares, but posted for posterity)
Good to know. I assume by that you don't so much like the email cowboyishness. I imagine there's a considerable difference in the feeling of active service and deskwork. At least you've for the super exciting forums to pass the time though eh?

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#634 - 2014-01-21 17:43:17 UTC
Danalee wrote:
How many billions of isk would be considered damage? How much would be major damage?
It's not a number, you'd need to hit strategic objectives. Shockingly people have actually tried to help suggesting this, but unsurprisingly Gevlon can;t see beyond killboard numbers and doesn't get that there is such a thing as context. The context of a kill is as much a part of the picture as the value. You kill 100b of ships in a day in high sec, and it's less damage than if you volley a single key ship off the field in a strategic battle.

Danalee wrote:
Problem is, RVB isn't about protecting nullbear alliances or defending pocos or fighting wars with outsiders. They are about RED vs BLUE. so no, no hypocricy here... might want to look over there.
They are about shooting stuff and having fun. You happen to be stuff.

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Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#635 - 2014-01-21 17:47:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Danalee
So the time and resources of CFC pilots is completely worthless and should be ignored.
If CTA's become... not so popular because your bees have to grind isk instead of watching the slideshow with the elite, remind them of this fact. They'll appreciate it.

D.

Bear

Edit: And they aren't shooting me... only the newbies owning the goons LolLolLol

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#636 - 2014-01-21 17:55:12 UTC
Danalee wrote:
So the time and resources of CFC pilots is completely worthless and should be ignored.
If CTA's become... not so popular because your bees have to grind isk instead of watching the slideshow with the elite, remind them of this fact. They'll appreciate it.

D.

Bear

Edit: And they aren't shooting me... only the newbies owning the goons LolLolLol
Honestly, no the individual pilots that are dumb enough to get themselves ganked in high sec are not worth anything. And CTAs are paid for though SRP, so people will continue to attend, as it's a way to do PvP for free. They will only need to grind isk to do their usual stuff, which to be honest isn't that hard. Some will continue to take the risk of high sec, and that's their choice, others won't. Either way the actual alliances remain unaffected. I don't think we'll run out of players any time soon, and people like myself ensure that people remaining outside of high sec can get what they need to operate.

And this is no different in the CFC than anywhere else. I've never known a null alliance to not tell people to stay the hell out of high sec on alliance characters, and across all my chars, I've been in quite a few. Other null alliances I've been in have even punished corps who's members frequently had high sec deaths. Like you've seen yourself, RvB actually fine people for Jita losses to discourage them going there.

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Usman Bello
United States of Winning
#637 - 2014-01-21 17:56:43 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Usman Bello wrote:
Joan Greywind wrote:

Well under that logic how do you feel to a be pet (his logic not mine) and affiliated with the drama queen and spergelorg gevlon?

While Marmite and the Lemmings fight side by side, we have the Goons in an "unleash the dog" kind of style instructing RvB to defend their stuff for them.

Care to see the difference?
RvB had a pact with goons to join in on POCO defense.

Maybe you don't get the fine nuance between lending assistance in times of war versus acting as someone's watchdog. There are no goon fleets defending POCOs that RvB could join in on. That is the whole point.


Lucas Kell wrote:
They have no financial gain, just a pre-agreed pact.

Who knows, I wouldn't be too surprised if the RvB directors get a little extra for sending their grunts to get shoot by the Lemmings to further goon interests.

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Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#638 - 2014-01-21 17:58:35 UTC
Danalee wrote:
So the time and resources of CFC pilots is completely worthless and should be ignored.
If CTA's become... not so popular because your bees have to grind isk instead of watching the slideshow with the elite, remind them of this fact. They'll appreciate it.

Edit: And they aren't shooting me... only the newbies owning the goons LolLolLol


I must have missed all those CTAs during my time in the CFC. Maybe you are confusing GSF with other null-sec alliances who have stuff like mandatory participation or mandatory alarm-clock ops?
Edmark I
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#639 - 2014-01-21 18:03:26 UTC
So how many pocos have we lost so far?
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#640 - 2014-01-21 18:03:43 UTC
Usman Bello wrote:
Maybe you don't get the fine nuance between lending assistance in times of war versus acting as someone's watchdog. There are no goon fleets defending POCOs that RvB could join in on. That is the whole point.
Herpa derp, jesus christ, I'm not going to get into an endless debate over this. There was an agreement that agreement is active. The end. Get over it.

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