EVE General Discussion

To restate.

We have the breakdown of isk faucets from CCP. They released this data at Fanfest. As far as I am aware we haven't received any new release of this data so till next fanfest we won't get updated figures.
This data can be averaged across all 12 months released, though it is actually pretty steady for the most part, but there are a couple of potential trends that another 12 months would make clearer.
We also know from CCP's discussion of the ESS in the German forums that Null Sec accounts for 72% of the bounties/NPC kills in all of EVE. There is dispute over the translation from the people that have translated it, but if it is ship kills since Null Rats on average are more valuable than High Sec Rats then it would be more than 72% of the bounties. Especially if NPC kills also included WH rats & Incursion kills which drop no actual bounty. So we can safely use the 72% of all bounties as a lowest possible figure for Null Sec isk.

So, we can then look at the 72% of bounties and see that it accounts for 42% of the total isk faucets in all of EVE. Insurance, and a few other factors will also add slightly to this. So once these factors are taken into account we can see that Null accounts for somewhere between 42% & approx 50% of all isk faucets in EVE.
WH space accounts for a very clear 20% extra from NPC buy orders.
Leaving High & Low sec Combined somewhere between 30-35%, depending exactly on what percentage of insurance is earned in Null.

So, we have a clear indication that more raw isk is earned in null.

We can then also calculate approximate LP values for High Sec missions & for all incursions.
Incursions are easy to do, and it works out that LP for incursions adds about 25% extra value.
It also works out that if we assume all Incursion sites are HQ sites (Most valuable), that there are 4 HQ sites done per hour on average. This is across every single incursion community. Which clearly shows that the isk/hr people are claiming is sustainable for incursions isn't. Since even if a single fleet of 40 was the only fleet running incursions anywhere in EVE, they still wouldn't make 200 mil/hr. When there are multiple fleets that run incursions, I know of five different HQ communities off the top of my head, and a number more VG communities. Meaning that income is getting split between all of them.

Missions are a bit trickier, but the maths on them can also be done using typical mission rewards and assuming a set percentage of the combined reward/insurance/other category belongs to missions. Refer earlier in the thread for all the maths.

So, taking the above three factors you can then do a comparative check, and while I did make assumptions in the maths because CCP didn't release the full break down, these assumptions were controllable, and I attempted to take the sensible high end of High Sec income (Such as all incursions were high sec, ignoring the odd low/null ones that do get done) while leaning towards the lower assumption of only 72% of bounties, rather than ship kills for Null.

And this came out with Null Sec earning more in pure isk than High sec was earning in both isk & LP combined.
Given High Sec has a much larger population, this obviously means that per capita, null is vastly ahead in earnings, since if per capita you earned the same, High Sec would have a much larger gross figure.

Obviously I didn't get into the industrial side, which even I'm suggesting Null should get certain limited buffs on such as better refining without needing to blow advanced upgrades on it, but I also didn't get into the moon goo/PI/loot/high end ores. Which Null obviously wins in hands down compared to High.
So, it's probably not a 100% perfect analysis, but it certainly is good enough to say that Null vs High income is not in the state some people are claiming.

Additionally Null has just received a change to their income, that potentially could increase peoples earnings by up to 25%, and at most is a 5% drop from current. So until we see how that plays out in the actual Meta game, we won't know how much Null Income is really buffed by. My bet is overall somewhere between 10-15% actual increase, since any isk stolen is also likely to be income for someone in null, just income while doing PvP rather than PvE.

So, no data suggests a needed nerf to high sec PvE at present, and no data suggests high sec industry needs a direct nerf, just that Null needs some buffs, and that there is an issue between POS manufacturing in any sec space & Outpost/Station manufacturing costs (in any space)

So you're not going to answer my question? Why post then.

Again, who said anything about not making enough isk?

:words: no sources :words: no data :words: plenty of fallacies :words:

So in other words you have no data or sources to back anything up and are wildly flinging things at the wall hoping one will stick. No amount of wall of text can fix that problem you actually have to provide sources and data to back up the things you say.