EVE General Discussion

this thread is horrible, income in high sec is utter **** for a new player, mining does max 9.5-12 mill per hour with a mackinaw (max skills with right ore solo character) and lvl 4 missions are a freaking horrible grind and you NEED max skills + faction/marauder to get the sort of income people brag about isk/hour on lvl 4 missions, that's 9+ months of training.

And the kind of income every one likes to spew with lvl 4 missions is a combined max skilled character + right ship + finding a great LP/isk item + having an alt AND salvaging + looting, that's where you get your max income, now please tell me how someone with all that and should make **** isk? now thing about how a player ALONE and how long he has to wait before even starting to make decent income.

People keep talking about income in each region and never think about how new players (yes genuine new players) can make enough isk to support their pvp and the answer is always (lol join null sec they got SRP) but what if I want to buy my own ships? what if I don't give a **** about nullsec ? **** me right?

Man I was blowing ships up in low sec so fast I barely had enough income and every freaking pirate had his carebear alt (and you know why?? not because high income > null income, but because **** null, not even if the reward is 1 bill/hour will people go there and you know why?? because it's all blue doughnut, you want to people to go to null but you want them to join your side and if they don't you shoot them all because they will take your resources and if they join you still have to contest them with income, see the problem here? no one cares about null income even if it was so high except null players and you're trying to drag others into your misfortune.

Give me the randomness of having faction/deadspace loot or spike rewards than the horrible grind that you have to do in High Sec.

Why would people leave the game if they nerfed high sec? not because they're carebears even if they are, but because if they nerf it too much CCP is pretty much saying all income sucks and you have no way to "sustain" yourselves except in these certain areas, so you either play my way or you don't.
Stop thinking about your old veterans playing for years and start thinking about new players coming who don't want to be a part of your alliance propaganda ****, this stupid "get in or get out mentality".

man null bears are the worst kind, you don't see WHers or low sec pirates complaining except null bears they're freaking everywhere, it's like there's nothing more than L4 missions? every other trade doesn't exist. you're just too scared of your shadow in null even with half the map blue you wouldn't risk an expensive ship for high income.

Faction LP is pretty much dead anyway now (if it wasn't) because of ESS, so thank CCP for that.

low sec exploration has good payouts, if your the pirate comming in to kill/steal.

great way to introduce the next step of eve exploration (as high sec is garbage) "welcome to the rest of eve! now gtfo"

The only saving grace to low sec exploration i've found is the chance to get mid level deadspace loot. I did get a Pithum B type invul once, but the competition (while not as bad as high sec) is pretty fierce.

Actually I was lowballing.

I chose 150 mil for incursions as thats easily sustainable, 200 mil is great but not always possible.

I also chose 100-120 mil for missions as thats more the norm although 180 mil is easily doable in SOE missions.

I chose to use the average income for anoms which is around the 90 mil mark.

And all of this is testable, yet the people swearing that what we're saying isn't the case refuse to even try to test it. Deep down the probably know what result they will come up with.

Combat PVE is what i mainly do in EVE and the risk/effort/reward equation is severely F'd up. When (in the pursuit of isk to use doing other things) it becomes a better bet to use a throwaway drake or caracal doing FW lvl 4s or flying a basilisk in a high sec incursion fleet than it is to use an expensive ship in null sec pve, there's a problem, high seccer status quo denial notwithstanding.

I find it funny that the same people who want more hi sec risk are also the same faces who often tell high sec pvpers to get off the undock and do real pvp etc.

Where is this new high sec risk going to come from, exactly?

comparing "the most common source..." with "blitzing missions for very specific corporations..." doesn't look very good

Yes, a two month old solo pilot in null will struggle compared to a two month old pilot who joins 20 other people to do incursions.

Crazy.

Apples are not like freight trains.

One requires social interaction, the other does not. Now what happens when you take 3-4 of those pilots in null? Now they are clearing belts, anoms, maybe even some low end complexes. They split the loot. Now what happens to your math? I know what happened to me when I went down in null my first time: I made way more than missioning in highsec. How about when we really make a valid comparison, and compare 20 of them working together, 15 of which are not noobs? Typical incursion fleets are not all noobs; so yes those who are in a crap-fit BS still make the same cash even though their contribution is lower. Why? Community. Now add in a split from Null PI. And then Moon Goo?

Stop making these radical comparisons and cherrry-picking your scenarios to support your desired whine.

Should we consider a change to make missions require full clear? Sure, I can get behind that.

Should we consider nerfing all of high sec just because the incursion community has made an ACTUAL COMMUNITY instead of a bunch of trolling asshats (nullsec)? No.

Everyone is biased but you, huh Jenn?