EVE General Discussion

If I were a betting man, I'd bet the primary reason most people don't head to null is because of the ****** politics and asshattery that is perceived to go on there, whether true or not. I for one, don't want to surrender my autonomy and my fun/play time to someone else.
You want more people in null? What have you done to change that perception? What has your alliance done to change that perception, besides admitting that its goal is to ruin everyone else's game ?

That is correct.

And my presence in highsec is a bad thing for plenty of people. I go out of my way to make this so, for as many people as I can.

Moreso Baltec than I, however, at least for anyone who pilots a freighter. Pretty sure I can lay about a dozen freighter kills at the feet of Bat Country in the last few weeks.

But this isn't *all* of them. If you really think that some highsec mission alts equal the entirety of a massive nullsec alliance descending on the denizens of highsec... then I have a bridge to sell you.

The answer is long and complicated. Basically, the problem with null is CCPs piecemeal approach to things.

When I started, anomalies and complexes alike had to be scanned down. Belt ratting was a MAJOR source of income (so much so that the most coveted systems for ratting where those with a lot of belts, blue on blue fights would occur sometimes when one guy was chaining and some idiot would mess up his chain). But all in all Null sec couldn't even support the paltry sums of characters it had back then.

Then came Dominion and the ability to upgrade systems. it was great, you could take any system and make it militarily viable enough to support 3, 4 , maybe 5 people doing anomalies at a time and a similar number of people mining (with complexes and wormholes appearing in systems more often with the right upgrades, those were basically a bonus). The problem was that it made ALL space the exact same.

That's where the nerfing started, in the name of "driving conflict" CCP radically changed the miltary upgrade system, now the VAST majority of sov null sec could no longer support even ONE ratter with enough isk per hour to make living in that system a viable alternative to high sec with it's endless lvl 4 missions and now incursions.. Overnight null sec turned into the vast space-desert it was before, and it's stayed that way.

At the core of the problem was the fact that CCP used existing content (anomalies) are the core of it's military upgrade scheme. Anomalies POUR liquid isk into the economy, and this was exacerbated by CCP ending gun mining, which mean that 8 regions that weren't injecting any isk into the economy (Drone Regions) were now just like the rest of SOV null. 8 new isk spewing regions didn't help the EVe economy one bit.

What CCP should have done instead of using anoms as the base of the military upgrade scheme was what they did with low sec; introduced LP (FW, lvl5 missions) or tag 9clone soldier) based ways to make isk. Anomalies were never designed to be a large scale isk harvesting activity.

Because anomalies spew liquid isk, doing any buffing of null is a mistake because stuffing the economy with new isk is a mistake. When it comes to pew pew PVE, CCP has options, fix anomalies to spew something other than isk, or(and?) nerf the ridicules high isk activities of high sec that should exist in the 1st place.

With industry, it's a whole different thing. Null industry will NEVER be able to compete with high sec industry as long high industry is basically free and npc based. That's where the nerfing needs to happen.



The situation isn't that high sec is a bunch of fat cats sitting around, it's that those of us who would not have to deal with being in high sec are stuck. Our choices are live in null sec and suffer in a sub optimal situation, or stay connected at the hip to high sec. CCP talked about the idea of living in null in a self sufficient fashion, but it's just not possible while it's cheaper to just ship everything from jita, and it's cheaper because the game is broken.

So nerfing high sec income wont be an issue for you then.

baltec1, this nerf did not just affect your null sec blaster boat. Anyone and everyone running these sites were affected, irregardless on where they spawned. You know this.

Yes but more to the point, are you more concerned with your own profitability in your space, or are you saying it would be better for all if more people went there?

Im just of the opinion that while, I accept, its possible to mission scan and even mine in null, without doing the Grand Alliance dance (Im avoiding the G word cos it offends Jenn for some reason), its impossible for anyone to live there.

So, this leaves the situation that Grand Alliances can live there but not profit and small operators can profit but not live there.

Thats certainly how it seems to be falling.

Yeah, I'm also for fixing bugs, especially those that affect me the greatest. It doesn't mean I'm promoting an exodus into null.

Tech nerf. Who just also happened to own most of the tech moons again?

They couldn't run them like in null sov because they have no access to sov upgrades. It is impossible to do what we were doing outside of sov space.

The nerf was only aimed at sov space.

That's right.

Lets not forget the high end DEd complex nerf. Used to be that 10/10s used to have more overseer personal effects in them.

for example, the Angel 10/10 (Angel Cartel Naval Shipyard) used to drop 500 mil worth of OPEs (5 OPEs in all). So you could go into that 10/10 knowing you were gonna atleast make 500 mil even if you got no deadspace drop. It was worthwhile to take freinds, you could still make a profit.

Now it's foolish to take friends because a lot of time you'll get nothing good and have to split 200 mil 2 or 3 ways when you all could have made more isk running missions in high sec in the time it took you to clear the 1st 4 rooms and kill the boss in the 5th.

Hows that for a null only nerf?