EVE General Discussion

If we cannot buff it then that leaves but one option.

My house is ******.

Your house should be ****** too.

Because that philosophy has always improved the quality of life for all parties involved.

Oh, that's just hyperbole and you know it. Especially for an inappropriate comparison in the first place.

Buffing the other areas of space would cause inflation. Inflation is a bad, bad thing, especially with regards to new player retention.

Being brought down to par with the rest of space is not some heinous punishment, you've been enjoying the imbalance for years now anyway.

Well thats one reason not to go.

As we both pointed out, its hard to do much if you are just going to get shot to pieces.

Maybe Jenn can give me some tips on how to avoid the CoT system-sweeping fleets.

Why is it that if it sucks for you it's "imbalance"?

Null sec sucks compared to high sec because of an imbalance.

Drone assist sucks because of imbalance.

Sov warfare sucks because of an imbalance?

If you want Null Sec to be like High sec, you know, loads of infinite ISK and no risk from AFK cloaky ******* or "oh **** a neutral, I'd better dock up", there is already a place in the game for that - it's called High Sec.

It's not 100% safe mind you, but it is safe enough.

Null missions (and complexes) are in deadspace. Once inside deadspace, someone looking for yo has to use probes to get to you. You can see probes in d-scan (even the pro "only deploy probes once you have narrowed down the basic area the guy is in" super quick probers have to expose themselves eventually to get you). if you are picking the right blitzable missions you shold be anywhere long enough to get scanned down

The only things you have to worry about is getting into and out of the station and maybe jumping gates (though if you are smart you will set up in stations that have multiple agents and once you have high enough standings, decline the out of system missions). Insta-undocks + nullified T3 ship (the best null mission runners) are the key, plus now mobile depots for refitting.

Half the fun of PVE outside of high sec is avoiding people trying to blow you up and steal your loot.

NPC null missions are the only real bright spots in null pve. The rest of it is easily disrupted or enslaved a truly evil random number generator.

It always makes me laugh to see "well just go highsec yourself!" as the response.

Not only is it not a good way to defend something suspected of being overpowered by telling me I should be doing it too, but all of highsec should pray that the Goons never actually do this. The result would be, while hilarious, highly detrimental to the average citizen of highsec.

Apparently, they dont shoot Jenn

I was hoping for her secret.

But sadly its not forth-coming.

Just old tried and tested (and failing) options.

Looks like I shall have to devise my own.

Oh wait, I DO kill probers in Nullsec

Silly me, how did I forget. Maybe some enterprising soul will use the same technique to kill Null Missioners.

Its easy, so Im suprised they dont already.

Well, first of all, Jenn is a dude.

Secondly, the trick is not getting caught. Knowing and using the MWD+Cloak trick, watching for probes, and judicious use of DotLan to avoid potential gatecamp systems tends to work fairly well.

So, it's not that they wouldn't shoot Jenn, it's that he doesn't give them a chance to do it.

And this is exactly the double standard I speak of. Let's take this one step at a time. First, list the nerfs you consider to be exclusive to null. And keep in mind I'm using your own definition of "nerf". For example, by your own standards, a nerf to the Forsaken sites is not a nerf to null because these sites exist outside of null.

This is an untrue and baseless claim. I actually do my manufacturing in lo sec exclusively and have managed to make billions per week while spending less time logged in. I left hi sec precisely because I had reached a ceiling impeding me from being more efficient with my time and efforts. And no, I do not build capitals.


I'm not so sure I buy the whole 'null income is unsustainable'. There are plenty of null systems with zero human interaction. I've tried to set shop and make some of this 'pitiful' unsustainable isk you speak of in null. Naturally, I'm driven away by the null holders. You know why? Because they want it that way. They don't use the space efficiently (or even at all!) and also don't want anyone else using it. So let me ask you, might this not be causing some of that unsustainability problem you speak of? Because that is where I'd start looking.

And this fixes null industry and its unsustainability how exactly? And how does lowering L4 payouts relieve null from its industry issues? We go back to the questions of what is it exactly you're trying to fix. Yes, you say it forces people to move from their home system making things more interesting (for you), but I fail to see how it addresses the issues you claim you want to fix.