EVE General Discussion

You will always have those posts, but, as stated before, none of them represent the holistic nerf of highsec on a magnitude that would result in the positives that people who want such a nerf claim it would result in.

That said, I don't think we've seen the sub data to see if there was any change in subs, however minor it may be, that may have correlated with those changes.

The introduction of tracking and stacking penalties didnt hit sub numbers, neither did the beehive nerf or the nano nerf.

After you have seen the amount of big nerfs that bitter vets like me have you soon learn to tell when people are just using hollow threats to try and keep an overpowered toy.

Remove sec status and lets find out.

So long as those nerfs are not intended to fully cripple highsec industry and exist only to improve industry in Null I am not averse to reading it. My thinking however is that it really isn't a competition is it? Instead of selling officer/faction mods in Jita, sell them in a Null system or better yet put them on contract for the **** you need. Ruby said Tritanium is in short supply and you guys can't seem to get enough of it. If you use the assets that are strictly Null in origin can you not leverage those for what you need?

I'll give you X Tritanium for that Pith-A whatchamacallit.


Seems to me that you are selling short on this **** by selling it in Empire. If people want to fly bling ships, make them come get the **** from you at a higher cost than what you would make in Empire of course, Or those tosser mission runners can just fit T2 and cry about how ****** their fit is unless they go to Null.

Just spit-balling ideas here man.

Not empty quoting:

If CCP really wanted to get rid of the concentration of players in highsec all they need to do is stop spawning new players in highsec school. People start in high and never get around to leaving.

Just give new players an option of spawning in a losec school in SOV space if they want. Of course the alliances involved will have an interesting problem with awoxxers and spies if they just accept all the newcomers unconditionally.

If nothing else these systems with new SOV space schools will give null alliances something else to squabble over :D

unfortunately whatever is said gets a bunch of drips completely missing the point yelling 'you're trying to force us into nullsec', 'you nullbears have just been doing it wrong', 'well stop shooting non-blues who try to go to null', 'nullsec is supposed to be somalia' (lol) etc etc etc

Mainly it's Nulls own creation though. They have the slots potential easily after the last round of buffs, and the slots are already CHEAPER than high sec once they are built.
There is a case for making the initial capital investment cheaper, or stations offer more.
There is also a case for ALL Stations/Outposts to have more expensive lines, in order to allow POS manufacturing (Which again, Null Pos's cost less upkeep than High Pos's) to compete with stations.
And there is a very good case for getting rid of the stupidly low refining levels, making it just a single basic add on, and making it at least 40% on Amarr stations. Refining is not an entire branch of the game on it's own, and should not be getting put through the same levels of upgrades as the lab slots, offices & industry lines.

But there is not a good case for only high sec having higher costs.
There is not a good case for nerfing lvl 4's & incursions when Null Sec is 50% of the entire isk faucets in the game approximately.
There is not a good case to nerf concord in any way.
These things are designed to simply destroy high.

Actually a single Amarr outpost upgraded is the equivalent of between 6-8 High Sec industrial stations depending exactly how efficiently you make use of the bonus speed on the slots. It was the equivalent of a good industrial hub. Not the best available in high sec, which I agree with you guys the best few high sec systems probably are too good and those individual systems could use a nerf.

But 6-8 stations from a pair of outposts.
Capital cost is irrelevant really to industry costs, as when time > infinity, cost > zero for capital investment. So the earlier it's done the earlier it's paid off. And if you try and factor it in, you end up breaking industry five years down the track when it is paid off.

Also, if you bothered reading, you will see I am saying that the refining should be in the same outpost, so 6-8 stations from just one outpost is what I'm suggesting.

High Secs income (Excluding industry/trade since there is no way to tell how much of that is null sec dwellers simply using high sec for a neutral market vs alliance only market) is calculable using extrapolation maths. And doing that shows that High Secs total income is less than just the isk faucet portion of Nulls Income. Which totally ignores all the deadspace/officer loot, all the Moon Goo income, all the PI income etc.

And that was done assuming all incursions belonged to Highsec while we know some do get done in low/null to clear the cyno jam effects.