EVE General Discussion

He said that what I said was wrong -- and what I said was a sarcastic counter to La Nfghidfg explaining that there are a hell of a lot more ways to make ISK than missions and ratting....And comparing only those two things, and looking at nothing else, is not only hilariously deceptive, but ignorant as well.

So, by saying it was "horseshit" -- he's saying that the only way to make ISK in this game is to shoot squares and run missions.

Couple of issues with this. First, hypoteticals invite too much assumption and speculation. They are useful for imagining what could be but not neccessarily useful for what is.

Second, why? Buffing NullSec industry does not force anyone to do anything. If highsec industry is nerfed that still does not force anything upon you. It only makes the activity less lucrative.

Additionally, and I surmise this is what Tippia was talking about with tangents, we are not talking about industry, at least we haven't for almost 100 pages.



It's been done before. It can be done again. People also do live in NPC Null yea?



This just looks like a lot of saying nothing. Almost just outrage. There is no assertion or thesis here and even if there were you have not provided any data to support the non assertion.

Which brings us to...



Any claim without supporting data is baseless. If you are basing your logical conclusions on something rather than actual data how can others be expected to follow your logical conclusions?

So why did you edit his argument?

No, that's just you inventing things. By saying it was “horeshit”, he's saying that missions and LP can be considered standards of income balance. Since, by the last official count, more than one third of the characters in game ran missions, that's not a particularly odd or unreasonable stance to have.

"Can be considered standards"

By who? You? That's incredibly subjective. Also -- somewhat surprising.

Maybe they are your standard ,but they certainly aren't mine.

This whole thread is like a group therapy session of the poorest players in null complaining that they can't make enough ISK.

more fallacious reasoning from 'i don't know what an argument is' pinky hops

Fair enough. His strawman remains regardless, which is what matters.

Plenty of people flip burgers for a living as well, but I don't think anybody considers it to be a standard of income.

Pinky, I think your missing the driver behind this discussion.

People live in Null.

These people, not people living in highsec but the people living in Null, are making their PVE income in HighSec because that is more lucrative than making money (again through PVE) in NullSec. The data that has been provided supports this claim.

These people want a reason to make PVE money in NullSec.

Bolded, italicized, etc for emphasis.

The people who want to make their money in NullSec can, in fact, dock in the station. They own the station.

The idea of nerfing HighSec PVE income is not a masterplan to screw over those other guys because reasons. They simply want to be able to live in Null and stay in Null. In fact, I've gone on record to suggest that nerfing highsec will not necessarily get them the results they are looking for. Buffing nullsec (with more LP) I believe does. Think of a highsec without Nullsec residents in it... They're all in NulSec making ISK hand over fist and leaving highsec alone. Win win win as far as I'm concerned.

The game is designed to not allow this to happen, and this is the crux of your argument - so I might as well attack it directly.

No single area of the game (highsec, lowsec, nullsec, wormholes) has every resource.

This is deliberate, to prevent you from being able to live in any one place, and forcing trade and travel between regions.

CCP will never allow everything to be gathered in one place for a self sufficient ecosystem. So if this is the goal, you might as well give up on it now, because it will not happen.

If I said I was doing the same to you (along with all the other gigantic crybabies in this thread) - would that make you feel better?

"wahhh, i live in null therefore i should be able to make every single ship at my station at half cost and every rat should drop a bajillion isk and there aren't enough rainbow ponies"