EVE General Discussion

You didn't make an argument so I take this as you agreeing there is an imbalance that needs to be fixed.

I disagreed that it "affects the way people play" in any way, major or minor.

Basically, check the first sentence.

Also known as: read better.

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Unsubstantiated nonsense. Who is "we" - the 3 - 4 other people in the thread? Some of which are probably your own alts?

First of all, let me thank you for the bump. keeping this horrible thread on the front page is taxing, I almost had to log in my alts Chribba and Mittani to keep it going.

Secondly, we're talking about an imbalance that has some nasty affects on the game, not the least of which is "null sec is only good for gudfights and renting" and also the problem of high sec alts for income. The imbalance came about because CCP hasn't tended to take a "holistic" development approach to combat pve and individual income despite their state desire to see null sec income be more "bottom up" than top down.

Sure, CCP nerfed moon goo and that was good but they've done nothing since Dominion to make null sec a place people want to both "live" and play in, which is why the renting phenomenon has taken hold. People should be fighting over null not renting it out, but that won't happen as long as 2/3rds or more of null is a desert when it comes to individual income potential (and high sec offers multiple easier and safer routes to make in game money).

The reason you see some of us saying nerf high (instead of buff null) is because we saw what happened when CCP tried to buff null wit the original systems up grades. We don't want the game to be hurt, butt the virtual barriers the easy combat pve (and industry, though I'm not an industry expert) isk throws up is a big part of the problem as well.

We know the game needs to be intertwined, but the fortunes on individual null sec players is to tied almost enslaved) to high sec and while the game should never try to force unwilling people out of high sec, neither should it be so good that people who want out of high sec are basically punished for doing so.

The proper balance is that high sec is there for those who want to live there, but living outside of it makes sense too.

If you want a giant nerf of highsec ot fly, or a giant buff to nullsec, here's what needs to happen:

Drastically reduce the power of all major coalitions. Cripple their infrastructure, make it so they have to split off into small groups.

If you bring the EVE sov warfare back to how it was 6 or 7 years ago, where a group of 50 - 100 people could actually take/hold sov....

You might have a case. I would then support buffing the crap out of nullsec.

Until then, this whole thread is a bunch of whiners in giant coalitions wanting more free cookies.

Get real.

Missions and LP rewards are a tiny minuscule inconsequential edge case in the economy of EVE.

Completely irrelevant. Or perhaps 1% relevant.

Okay so you are full of "grr goons," and can't support your own claims. You are also wrong, CCP has stated before something a long the lines of people who embrace social interaction are far more likely to stay subbed than those who do not so nerfing cooperation and friend making will hurt the game.

That's something they just don't get. To make the kind of isk I pull in in Lanngisi, I should have had to be in at least low sec and subject to interference. Not that i'd enjoy it lol, but a game is supposed to be balanced.

When i'm in null doing a DED plex or anom, people try to come at me no matter what I'm flying and I pride myself on escaping with the loot. They get content, I get content and we're both making the game better. In high sec no one gets anything but me, that's not good mmo gameplay.

Are you saying you are so incredibly ignorant of the EVE economy that you think missions and LP rewards are the standards of income balance?

I'm saying we're comparing individual income and you're trying to argue about something that is not individual income. Stop trying to derail the thread.

…other than the history of player activity patterns from dominion and onwards, where anomalies became hugely popular but broke the game because you can't “just buff null”; where people moved back into high when they were nerfed back to working levels; where even more people migrated out to do incursions; where the devs came up with the farms-and-fields concept to solve this problem; where the devs agreed that null industry is nowhere near where it's supposed to be; where there are tons of data showing how the highsec baseline creates unworkable margins that leaves no room for profit elsewhere; where the mechanics themselves inherently prohibit large populations in null and thus mechanically force people to not be there.

Not really, no. There are about 130 pages of people making unsupported claims about how much a single individual can earn if not contested.

Where on earth are you getting your information?! That is probably the most ridiculous thing stated so far in this thread.

Missions represents roughly ⅕ of the injected ISK on a daily basis; LP is the second highest sink in the game, again representing about ⅕ of the daily sunk ISK. The ISK-sunk-to-ISK-earned ratio is about 2:1, which means the LP rewards represent earnings that are on about the same scale as the purely injected ISK.

Is this how wrong you are about everything?