EVE General Discussion

No, we are not.

You don't get to ignore PI and Moon Goo.

Income in null was fine prior to the dumb ESS. My income making in null over the years was way beyond what it ever has been in hisec. Why? Because I actually utilized all that was available, not just ratting.

Stop crying and work on PI. Also, get your fair share from moon goo.

If you are making less in null than what you can make in hi, then you are doing it wrong.

Total income should be compared. Not just parts of it.

You don't get to cherry pick an activity from both security levels and then complain they are not balanced against each other. It is entirely irrelevant.

If you want to compare total income in hisec versus nullsec, then by all means do it. Cherry picking is nonsense. You are sitting on a passive ISK faucet (PI) and trying to pretend it doesn't exist.

It does.

If anything, we need to nerf PI so you don't get the output unless you are within range and online. As soon as you leave range, it stops producing. This would force all the whiners to return to their SOV.

We are not comparing total income

We are comparing high sec level 4 missions with anoms which is what null sov has in place of level 4 missions.


That PI idea would break it every area of space.

No, anoms are not "in place of" anything. There are anoms in all areas of EVE. Compare those. If you were asking for level 6 missions I doubt you would hear so much resistance. But asking for a nerf based on a ridiculous comparison won't get you much support.

I don't think you do, especially if you cannot read that sheet where it shows exactly how much each anomaly was worth. This is literal intellectual dishonesty coming out of you. I posted the average of the anomalies, the exact amount of the anomalies, the total time, and the average time.

You're arguing with a scientist here now and you're calling it bad testing. I posted my method and the tools I used so it is 100% reproducible. I posted what controls need to be done both a negative: belt ratting and a positive: active battleship/carrier ratting. I constructed the data table so anyone can read it no jargon. Its 100% accessible and 100% reproducible experiment. Its a good test.

You're whining about an ESS which I will not use for this testing at all because it will negatively impact others in the CFC that also use the system and there is no ESS in highsec. You can easily convert the LP gained per hour to isk hour so there isn't a problem with it either. This also is discounting that I vaguely remember CCP stating that maybe 1000 ESS have been deployed, so most of nullsec is not using the ESS in the first place.

E: As of this time now you still have not looked at the sheet.

E2: Its the closest to blitzing L4s without loot/salvage that we can get with a nullsec test.

Where's the ego in the post you quoted?

The, 'I am a scientist', bit, It is totally irrelevant.

Is "Irrelevant" in any way a synonym for "egotistical"?

One faction drop and you're suddenly 300mil/hr. And don't deny it, we're talking top anoms, and top anoms have that.
And 118 mil/hr is absolute best for hisec, with luck, assumptions and 108mil SP character. Your anoms can be cleared with the same speed at 10% of the SP and cost.

Are you suggesting there are sanctums, havens and forsaken hubs in highsec? Are you suggesting that there are anoms in highsecc that even remotely compare to them? I didn't think so.

Combat level 4 missions are generally battleship-heavy, as are the anoms I mentioned. They might not be exactly equal, but as someone who's extensively done both they're reasonably similar in terms of content and difficulty.