EVE General Discussion

Just to keep people joining the thread updated on the current state of affairs.

Goons: "omg omg you can theoretically with luck and assumptions make 110mil ISK/hour in hisec, my average null income is only 150m/hour NERF HISEC"
Voice of Reason: "Why do you compare maximum hisec ISK/hour with average nullsec ISK/hour? Want us to tell you how much maximum nullsec ISK/hour you can make theoretically with luck and assumptions?"
Goons: "But hisec *goon personal attack generator* are making ISK! HISEC SHOULD MAKE 50% OF NULLSEC ISK!".
Voice of Reason: "In that case hisec income needs to be buffed by about 100% to match 50% of nullsec."
Goons: "Millions of goons can't be wrong, because we're too cool to be wrong, means you're wrong. You're missing the point. HISEC DARES TO MAKE ISK! NERF HISEC!"

This has been going in circles every 7 pages or so.

if you believe that posted numbers are fake why would you believe wallet screens aren't photoshopped

When was the last time you not being in a fight would have made any difference to the outcome of the fight?

Continue trying to decieve people... not much to effect. Back in 2008 I did more isk per hour in 0.0 than I do now in high sec.

I imagine nerfing hisec pve, already a haven of wardeccers, suiciders and scammers, would have the same results as nerfing nullsec pve elements. If anything, hisec needs faster concord response times and greater security lose for industrial/barge suiciding. Training for a billion isk ship that can get melted by 50 million isk of ships with concord heavily in system and the only recourse is kill rights against people who have either been biomassed for the next suiciding dessie pilot or gone into 0.0 to boost their security back up for next months suicide-gank is lop-sided.

CCP does need to figure out something. suiciders (and bumper bullies) telling players to **** off and leave eve or go to 0.0 to avoid being harassed is a ****** solution.

Yes, of course i'm posting on a forum alt...

everyone not a goonie is a goonie alt.


Let Concord pod suicide gankers and boost security penalties for targeting non-war/suspect marauders, capital industrials, industrials, freighters, and barge/exumers to podding penalty levels. They're costing someone deeply, let the punishment be considerable as well.

I was thinking about that this morning before going to work. Living in HS, I can log on at any time and make ISK, not ridiculous amounts (due to my inexperience with blitzing and an overtanked hull) but I can make ISK any time that isn't downtime. Residents in NS don't necessarily have that luxury. Tell me, when you logged off for that first interruption, what did you do?

My money is on logging on a HS alt to make money.

CCP does need to figure out something. suiciders (and bumper bullies) telling players to **** off and leave eve or go to 0.0 to avoid being harassed is a ****** solution.

Unless the best LP you can get between four empires is below 1000/lp, the ESS returns equal to no ESS the second you drop it. And if the best LP you can get is above 1000/lp, then you show an immediate profit.
If you then sit an alt at the ESS (You know, that Cyno alt that can't rat because of system density issues, which I do agree is an issue, but you will always have some alts who can't rat, and the higher the system density the faster the ESS gains it's buffs so the more you gain via it anyway), and spam the share all button every opportunity you get, you show an immediate 20% profit above no ESS.
If you actually manage to leverage the ESS to make maximum profit, you are showing a 30% profit above no ESS, (Assuming 95% start 125% end) assuming you can't make use of the LP market to find something extra profitable. If you are able to leverage the LP market to make a real profit on the LP, say, 2000/lp, then you are at 50% above no ESS.

In short, with the revised stats on the ESS, assuming the ESS isn't bugged (Since we can't allow for bugs), it's very hard to not gain overall income from it unless you are getting camped so often they keep blowing it up as soon as you drop one. Exactly how much depends on if you loose them regularly, and if you manage to tick them I agree, but you should be showing at least 20% more than the given figures before we take bonus LP profit into account.

And since you are taking the best LP possible in high sec as the 'average high sec' figure, when anyone with a brain knows that's not sustainable since the more profit seekers who chase the high LP, the lower it's going to drop. We can take the best LP when looking at the ESS options also.

We aren't comparing max highsec with mid-range nullsec, max would be incursions, we're comparing missions to anomalies.