EVE General Discussion

Quick pratical question.. if null sec woudl indeed pay less thanhigh sec.. why would be so many peopel paying a TONS of isk for your alliance so they can go rat in null sec?

The average income in high se cis NOWHERE near that. That is what you get at PEAK moments. Only SOE and Thukker tribe pay enough in LP to reach 100M isk per hour and their systems get LARGE ammount of suicide ganking. The realistic numbers are very close to the numbers of null sec, around 70 m

The applicable Slot 7 missile implants include Missile Velocity (which James had mentioned) and Missile Flight Time (useless since my range is already 222km).

Slot 6 has Cruise Missile Damage +5%. I elected to go with this one as I worked to improve my applied DPS.

I'm Caldari so it's usually a matter of "how do I make my missiles better" and if I can't make my missiles better, "how do I make my shields better".

Also, what's a turret?

I should think you would want to do that anyway. It is relevant to the study. During that interruption you are making 0 ISK/hr and I would hope you would make note of that. ESS or not because it is relevant.

I suppose we could but given its random nature the results will be all over the place.

Unless the best LP you can get between four empires is below 1000/lp, the ESS returns equal to no ESS the second you drop it. And if the best LP you can get is above 1000/lp, then you show an immediate profit.
If you then sit an alt at the ESS (You know, that Cyno alt that can't rat because of system density issues, which I do agree is an issue, but you will always have some alts who can't rat, and the higher the system density the faster the ESS gains it's buffs so the more you gain via it anyway), and spam the share all button every opportunity you get, you show an immediate 20% profit above no ESS.
If you actually manage to leverage the ESS to make maximum profit, you are showing a 30% profit above no ESS, (Assuming 95% start 125% end) assuming you can't make use of the LP market to find something extra profitable. If you are able to leverage the LP market to make a real profit on the LP, say, 2000/lp, then you are at 50% above no ESS.

In short, with the revised stats on the ESS, assuming the ESS isn't bugged (Since we can't allow for bugs), it's very hard to not gain overall income from it unless you are getting camped so often they keep blowing it up as soon as you drop one. Exactly how much depends on if you loose them regularly, and if you manage to tick them I agree, but you should be showing at least 20% more than the given figures before we take bonus LP profit into account.

And since you are taking the best LP possible in high sec as the 'average high sec' figure, when anyone with a brain knows that's not sustainable since the more profit seekers who chase the high LP, the lower it's going to drop. We can take the best LP when looking at the ESS options also.

You don't have a lot more people because you goon too much.
Look what you've done, I responded to a goon post because of you!

SOE in hisec peak at 2000 ISK/LP, just checked that. Unless you bring it to your overISKed null friends, that is the best you're getting (That is assuming you go with Jita sell orders. You can probably do up to 5%-10% more by hauling around or babysitting your sell orders on that stuff, but generally that would be a waste of time better used on missioning).
Thukker is better nearing on 2500 ISK/LP on select pieces of Nomad set. Other pieces and Thukker Micro APC go with SOE-like 2000 ISK/LP, and the rest of it is along the standard 1000 ISK/LP line, maybe a bit more.

So, 2800? Naaaaaah. Null only.

They can make more in high sec than null. There are other reasons for wanting to come to null, mostly to do with easy access to pvp.

That is so misingoonpretated...

I came to null only because there was no chance in hell I could keep making it even seem comparable with null income in hisec, provided I didn't want to run SOE like crazy.

I made billions in null WAY easier than it was possible in hisec. And I avoided every PvP attempt made at me. Should there be a PvP-free null region you'd see it populated like crazy. And we have one such region up north, and it is populated like crazy.

Once again, for goons, there are no ways to match nullsec crazy ISK even if you farm like mad in hisec. If you're too goon to make ISK in null, that is your damn fault, and not the fact that hisec ISK making is generally tuned toward newer players, and comes in basically one variation (had 3 variations before odyssey. RIP hisec. Well, Fozzie happens.), which can be burned away by having as little as 3 suicide gank squads, because doing it requires investments which are covered by tens of hours, and should you lose those investments, you have nothing left to take them back with, since less investments have even less payoff and require even more time to cover them.

Now compare that to null ratting, where the only investment is a rent (perfectly split-able), and utterly disposable (insurance derp) meta-fit oracles with next to no cost and skill requirements compared to L4 boats.

There's so much disparity that I won't be surprised that nullsec will become the starting area, and you'll have to do years of training and ratting before you get the ISK and skills required to do an L4 with comparable efficiency or run hisec incursions, therefore justifying living in hisec, which is currently unjustifiably low on income until you have the means to do the only remaining ISK-making activity proficiently.

Lets see some of these numbers. Because right now all evidence shows that high sec is much better than null.

I enjoy living in null, and I prefer to have a blue list, and a large zone of intel pickup. Something you don't get unless you cooperate with a large organization. I've also pointed out that on a small scale basis its possible to abuse the rental system to get a rather disproportionate chunk of signature based income.