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The biggest failure(s) of EVE for new players.
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Kiryen O'Bannon
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2014-01-09 05:19:54 UTC
Join Brave Newbies. Problem solved.

Eternal Father, King of birth, /Who didst create the heaven and earth, /And bid the planets and the sun/ Their own appointed orbits run; /O hear us when we seek thy grace /For those who soar through outer space.
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#42 - 2014-01-09 05:20:04 UTC
Castiana Sukarala wrote:


As ive said most of the players in corp are newbies. Even if we all grouped upp at once (not possible because of time difference) we would most likely not win.


Look up the history of Goonswarm sometime.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.
Ice Eagle
#43 - 2014-01-09 05:21:04 UTC
made a new alt a month and half ago to join a friend who just started the game, we started faction warfare. i played him about 3hrs a day, got a lot of fare fights1v1's in same t1 frigs. got ganked a little but not much. heck of a lot of fun though.

in under 1 month i made over 1 billion isk on a brand new toon!

perhaps you need to adapt your play style mate.
Castiana Sukarala
#44 - 2014-01-09 05:27:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Castiana Sukarala
Beta Maoye wrote:
You have to realise that EVE gameplay is very different from real world experience. This game is challenging because it allows scammers and gankers and rewards them as long as they don't break the intended game mechanic. Players can make good amount of isk by doing "bad" things. Economic incentive is a positive reinforcement to encourage people to repeat their behavior. So you will always meet these people no matter what you do or where you go. They are part of the game and you cannot avoid them. What you have to do is to learn to deal with them. Complaining them is useless. It is part of the funs to overcome these challenges or, if you like, to take advantage of these opportunities.


Oh i wouldnt have minded beeing force into PVP if I actually had even a tiny little chance at winning. Its not exactly the mechanics of the game im opposed to. Its the INCREDIBLE uneven playingfield. But ive gotten some good tips from the nice people commenting. And i will probably join a NPC corp for a couple of months untill i can actually fit a decent pvp build i can use.

And thats why i was "complaining". A challange is if you have a chance of actually overcoming it. And you just cannot do that when your new. It isnt about the ISK. Thats easy to get. Its simply about SP. You just cant use anything good enough or well enough that early to win vs an "old" player. And you dont know all the mechanics either. Not that it would matter if you where an expert on all mechanics in EVE if your 14 days old vs one thats even played 2-3 months. Not to mention the ones thats played for years. Sure you can gang upp with LOADS of other newbies. But how many would you need per year old char? 5?10? More?

But sure its possible to jsut NPC corp for a couple of months and then go back to human corps, and you can actually fight back when they wardeck. Its just, is that a sound strategy for an MMO? Sure EVE is a good game, and it has a decent player base. But how much better could it get if more players joined, and stayed and CCP got more money to develop it?

I certainly know what im going to do in EVE if I continue to play for a while. Same as in other MMO's ive played. Punish players abusing the newbies without a clue ^^.

Anyhow. Thanks to all the guys that came with good comments. Least you got me to think a bit different about it.

And, Ice Eagle: Ive played for 14 days (had some holliday in there) and earned about 1.5 billion, isk is not the problem.
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#45 - 2014-01-09 05:43:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Romanov
Castiana Sukarala wrote:


Oh i wouldnt have minded beeing force into PVP if I actually had even a tiny little chance at winning. Its not exactly the mechanics of the game im opposed to. Its the INCREDIBLE uneven playingfield. But ive gotten some good tips from the nice people commenting. And i will probably join a NPC corp for a couple of months untill i can actually fit a decent pvp build i can use.


This is a terrible idea. Join RVB or brave Newbies now. Not later.

Find a mentor and learn. Get blown up, make mistakes.

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And thats why i was "complaining". A challange is if you have a chance of actually overcoming it. And you just cannot do that when your new. It isnt about the ISK. Thats easy to get. Its simply about SP. You just cant use anything good enough or well enough that early to win vs an "old" player.


Also wrong. There is a finite number of SP required to fly a given ship to its maximum potential. Having high SP merely means you have a greater variety of ships to choose from.

Quote:
And you dont know all the mechanics either. Not that it would matter if you where an expert on all mechanics in EVE if your 14 days old vs one thats even played 2-3 months. Not to mention the ones thats played for years. Sure you can gang upp with LOADS of other newbies. But how many would you need per year old char? 5?10? More?


A gang of half a dozen players with less than 3 months experience in T1 ships is entirely capable of tackling a very expensive ship being flown by a multi year veteran and killing it.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2014-01-09 05:45:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Castiana Sukarala wrote:
Beta Maoye wrote:
You have to realise that EVE gameplay is very different from real world experience. This game is challenging because it allows scammers and gankers and rewards them as long as they don't break the intended game mechanic. Players can make good amount of isk by doing "bad" things. Economic incentive is a positive reinforcement to encourage people to repeat their behavior. So you will always meet these people no matter what you do or where you go. They are part of the game and you cannot avoid them. What you have to do is to learn to deal with them. Complaining them is useless. It is part of the funs to overcome these challenges or, if you like, to take advantage of these opportunities.


Oh i wouldnt have minded beeing force into PVP if I actually had even a tiny little chance at winning. Its not exactly the mechanics of the game im opposed to. Its the INCREDIBLE uneven playingfield. But ive gotten some good tips from the nice people commenting. And i will probably join a NPC corp for a couple of months untill i can actually fit a decent pvp build i can use.

And thats why i was "complaining". A challange is if you have a chance of actually overcoming it. And you just cannot do that when your new. It isnt about the ISK. Thats easy to get. Its simply about SP. You just cant use anything good enough or well enough that early to win vs an "old" player. And you dont know all the mechanics either. Not that it would matter if you where an expert on all mechanics in EVE if your 14 days old vs one thats even played 2-3 months. Not to mention the ones thats played for years. Sure you can gang upp with LOADS of other newbies. But how many would you need per year old char? 5?10? More?

But sure its possible to jsut NPC corp for a couple of months and then go back to human corps, and you can actually fight back when they wardeck. Its just, is that a sound strategy for an MMO? Sure EVE is a good game, and it has a decent player base. But how much better could it get if more players joined, and stayed and CCP got more money to develop it?

I certainly know what im going to do in EVE if I continue to play for a while. Same as in other MMO's ive played. Punish players abusing the newbies without a clue ^^.

Anyhow. Thanks to all the guys that came with good comments. Least you got me to think a bit different about it.

And, Ice Eagle: Ive played for 14 days (had some holliday in there) and earned about 1.5 billion, isk is not the problem.


That is all good and well

I make a point of going after so called White Knight corps. Just because I can and I hate white knighting.

But in EVE people seem to attribute SP for Skill which is just not true. A new player can easily kill a 10 year player if they know what they are doing and is capable of handling themselves and their ship better. Make no mistake, that same 10 year old pilot will at the same time annihilate a bunch of people if he knew how to handle himself.

The issue however comes down to attitude. You can either role around in the dirt kicking and screaming, or you can learn from this and better yourself. I got popped by legions and big ass ships a lot, that made me only want to kill them more and I did.

So dust yourself of and go die as much as possible until you don't die anymore.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Castiana Sukarala
#47 - 2014-01-09 06:28:15 UTC
"A gang of half a dozen players with less than 3 months experience in T1 ships is entirely capable of tackling a very expensive ship being flown by a multi year veteran and killing it."

Steam sales acounts arent even a month old ^^. But i get what your saying. And Arkady Romanov ill look into thoose, thanks for the tip.
Castiana Sukarala
#48 - 2014-01-09 06:35:49 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Castiana Sukarala wrote:
Beta Maoye wrote:
You have to realise that EVE gameplay is very different from real world experience. This game is challenging because it allows scammers and gankers and rewards them as long as they don't break the intended game mechanic. Players can make good amount of isk by doing "bad" things. Economic incentive is a positive reinforcement to encourage people to repeat their behavior. So you will always meet these people no matter what you do or where you go. They are part of the game and you cannot avoid them. What you have to do is to learn to deal with them. Complaining them is useless. It is part of the funs to overcome these challenges or, if you like, to take advantage of these opportunities.


Oh i wouldnt have minded beeing force into PVP if I actually had even a tiny little chance at winning. Its not exactly the mechanics of the game im opposed to. Its the INCREDIBLE uneven playingfield. But ive gotten some good tips from the nice people commenting. And i will probably join a NPC corp for a couple of months untill i can actually fit a decent pvp build i can use.

And thats why i was "complaining". A challange is if you have a chance of actually overcoming it. And you just cannot do that when your new. It isnt about the ISK. Thats easy to get. Its simply about SP. You just cant use anything good enough or well enough that early to win vs an "old" player. And you dont know all the mechanics either. Not that it would matter if you where an expert on all mechanics in EVE if your 14 days old vs one thats even played 2-3 months. Not to mention the ones thats played for years. Sure you can gang upp with LOADS of other newbies. But how many would you need per year old char? 5?10? More?

But sure its possible to jsut NPC corp for a couple of months and then go back to human corps, and you can actually fight back when they wardeck. Its just, is that a sound strategy for an MMO? Sure EVE is a good game, and it has a decent player base. But how much better could it get if more players joined, and stayed and CCP got more money to develop it?

I certainly know what im going to do in EVE if I continue to play for a while. Same as in other MMO's ive played. Punish players abusing the newbies without a clue ^^.

Anyhow. Thanks to all the guys that came with good comments. Least you got me to think a bit different about it.

And, Ice Eagle: Ive played for 14 days (had some holliday in there) and earned about 1.5 billion, isk is not the problem.


That is all good and well

I make a point of going after so called White Knight corps. Just because I can and I hate white knighting.

But in EVE people seem to attribute SP for Skill which is just not true. A new player can easily kill a 10 year player if they know what they are doing and is capable of handling themselves and their ship better. Make no mistake, that same 10 year old pilot will at the same time annihilate a bunch of people if he knew how to handle himself.

The issue however comes down to attitude. You can either role around in the dirt kicking and screaming, or you can learn from this and better yourself. I got popped by legions and big ass ships a lot, that made me only want to kill them more and I did.

So dust yourself of and go die as much as possible until you don't die anymore.


I hate newbie exploting always did. Theres no challange in it. And it often ruins games (see EVE's non existent/extreemly slow growth of new players, and just old ones making alts). And i dont attribute SP for skill. However there is a huge gap between beeing able to use t2 weps, and t1 weps. And then there is all the other skills for increasing damage, hitchance etc. Its ok to be skilled. But as in other PVP "target and see autoattack" games. If you can't hit your opponenet. You aint gonna win no matter how good you are.


I have no doubt a new player can kill an old one i just highly doubt you can do it brand new. Maybe at 2-3 months (or if you catch him in a shuttle/pod).
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2014-01-09 06:38:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Shinhwa
Castiana Sukarala wrote:
Oh i wouldnt have minded beeing force into PVP if I actually had even a tiny little chance at winning. Its not exactly the mechanics of the game im opposed to. Its the INCREDIBLE uneven playingfield. But ive gotten some good tips from the nice people commenting. And i will probably join a NPC corp for a couple of months untill i can actually fit a decent pvp build i can use.


I predict in 2mo you'll have the same problem as now. Only you will have wasted 2mo. By then you will have rescued that frickin' damsel 200 times and will have trouble logging in knowing if you ask the agent for a mission he is going to go tell you to rescue her again because Eve has the worst frickin' PvE of any game I've ever played. At 2mo you won't have skills to fly anything solo in PvP, not skill points, but skills. So you'll be bored with the PvE and won't consider PvP because you know you'll die.

A much better idea is to join a corp not full of newbies leading newbies, but one that actually has some vets who know what they are doing. Just by doing that you'll probably avoid most wardecs anyway. My old corp had 2 wardecs in the 6mo I was there. I assume it was because we weren't a bunch of newbies spouting entitled nonesense in local and the forums. We were a few newbies and a bunch of vets. The vets taught us better.

You want to ask for advice on what to do during a war, try the EVE New Citizens forum; you'll get helpful answers as to what to do. Spout crap here about how the game needs to be changed based on your 14d of experience and you'll just get added to a bunch of watchlists for people who want to watch you cry some more.

Edit: I hope someone in your corp or alliance told you to take the smartbomb off your Drake.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#50 - 2014-01-09 07:07:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Romanov
Castiana Sukarala wrote:
"A gang of half a dozen players with less than 3 months experience in T1 ships is entirely capable of tackling a very expensive ship being flown by a multi year veteran and killing it."

Steam sales acounts arent even a month old ^^. But i get what your saying. And Arkady Romanov ill look into thoose, thanks for the tip.


It is equally true that a dozen players with less than a month of SP can kill a very expensive ship owned by someone with more than a year's playtime.

The most important thing to do is start shooting other people. Immediately. if you really do have 1.5bill in the bank, and the ability to earn more relatively easily, then you can have non-stop fun.

1.5 billion buys a lot of fitted tech 1 frigs and cruisers.

The other thing you must understand is that there are no goals or achievements except what you set for yourself. If you want to be here long term, set a goal for yourself, and go for it. It is also extremely important that you find a corp that you not only enjoy flying with, but who you can talk nonsense with while you ship spin. You're trying to join a community, not just a game.

It also helps if you understand, and accept, that part of the attraction to EVE is its harshness. There are people who are going to do mean things to you. People will try to scam you. They will try to trick you. They will steal from you. This is frustrating, and that is the point. The joy comes from overcoming those obstacles. The only rules are that which are prescribed by CCP in the EULA. Everything else is fair game.

You might also find this phrase helpful:

"Grr goons"

Whole Squid: Get Inked.
Rastafarian God
#51 - 2014-01-09 07:30:56 UTC
Bobby Frutt wrote:
OP, you have solutions ya know.

It's very, very, very, VERY easy to drop corp during wardecs. If your corp is filled with indy players that cannot defend themselves well, your corp should have a system in place where they can either join a sister corp during wars, or have a chat channel to communicate in while in NPC corps during the duration of the war.


Yea... that doesnt work either unless you know the war is coming and you leave before hand. If you leave after the deck hits, the wardec will follow you.

As for the OP. EVE is probably the most hard core PVP MMO in the world. It is also the most complicated and hard to learn. If you are having problems, its because there is so much more to the game then you can imagine and you just can not see the alternatives.

There will never be a "safety" that protects new players from things like wardecs or being attacked outside the rookie systems. Do you have any idea how many week old players in haulers that I have just blindly killed?

Also, there already is a huge message that pops up if you try to enter lowsec and it basically tells you that you will die. It suspends the jump and makes you click yes. I even still have it enabled just in case im drunk and go left instead of right just to remind me lol.


I understand how wadecs can suck, especially if you are new. It can even be annoying if you are older and in a small group. But it can be a lot of fun also if you are smart. But if you are in a corp that is constantly being decced and you dont like it just leave. The game will put you in SCOPE (an NPC corp) where you can wait out the current decs and not have to worry about new ones until you get a handle on the game. then you can try to find a good corp again.. or find a new one now that wont force you to stay in station.

And yes basically anyone that knows your name can track you down so you really cant hide.. for example....

You are at Sarum Prime III - Moon 2 - Imperial Academy station in the Sarum Prime system, Maddam constellation of Domain region. At least as I type this.
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#52 - 2014-01-09 07:36:18 UTC
the noob experience in this game is rough. I believe it's supposed to be that way. it's a rite of passage. it toughens you up. seasons its would be long term players. weeds out a good portion of the weak and thin skinned. think of it sort of like the ancient Spartan practice of agoge. those that endure the fires of that trial period show they have the will and have learned the skills (hopefully) to properly conduct their game experience in the direction they so choose. to be "citizens of new eden," if you will.

those that don't wash out in a flood of forum tears (which we do so love) or, more commonly, in obscurity and silence.

as far as direction goes, that's up to each individual pilot. it helps to have friends to fly with. you don't even need to be in their corp to fleet up and fly with them. just keep in contact. add them to your watchlist so you know when they are on. fleet up and go do something. build experience. set goals and set your skill que toward them.

that's all my game experience in eve has basically been, one long series of setting goals, reaching them and repeating the process after. whether the goals is flying a new ship, improving skills for one i'm already flying, managing a corp, controlling the defenses of a station...it doesn't matter. there are a hundred directions to go in. just choose.
Castiana Sukarala
#53 - 2014-01-09 07:37:35 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Castiana Sukarala wrote:
Oh i wouldnt have minded beeing force into PVP if I actually had even a tiny little chance at winning. Its not exactly the mechanics of the game im opposed to. Its the INCREDIBLE uneven playingfield. But ive gotten some good tips from the nice people commenting. And i will probably join a NPC corp for a couple of months untill i can actually fit a decent pvp build i can use.


I predict in 2mo you'll have the same problem as now. Only you will have wasted 2mo. By then you will have rescued that frickin' damsel 200 times and will have trouble logging in knowing if you ask the agent for a mission he is going to go tell you to rescue her again because Eve has the worst frickin' PvE of any game I've ever played. At 2mo you won't have skills to fly anything solo in PvP, not skill points, but skills. So you'll be bored with the PvE and won't consider PvP because you know you'll die.

A much better idea is to join a corp not full of newbies leading newbies, but one that actually has some vets who know what they are doing. Just by doing that you'll probably avoid most wardecs anyway. My old corp had 2 wardecs in the 6mo I was there. I assume it was because we weren't a bunch of newbies spouting entitled nonesense in local and the forums. We were a few newbies and a bunch of vets. The vets taught us better.

You want to ask for advice on what to do during a war, try the EVE New Citizens forum; you'll get helpful answers as to what to do. Spout crap here about how the game needs to be changed based on your 14d of experience and you'll just get added to a bunch of watchlists for people who want to watch you cry some more.

Edit: I hope someone in your corp or alliance told you to take the smartbomb off your Drake.


The smart bomb worked really well for a quest i did which involved alot of drones coming into 2000 meters. It was NOT a pvp fit, and i used it for that mission only.

"Spout crap here about how the game needs to be changed based on your 14d of experience and you'll just get added to a bunch of watchlists for people who want to watch you cry some more." Shows some part of the EVE community are rotten to the core. If this is actually true, ill never complain about the LOL community again.

It seems a problem with EVE, is theres a bunch of vets, and verry few newbies. Which apparently makes alot of the vets that reply entitled i guess? Dont know what to call ranting at people for beeing new to the game, and mentioning what they felt about it, instead of just some words of advice, which other vets did.

I saw a good quote in another thread:

"I love EVE its a sandbox, you can do whatever you want etc"
"Your a newb, do what i tell you to".

Also most people decide if they want to continue playing an MMO in the first 30 days. Maybe all the "newb" saying what they think about their first experince can help make the game better, not necesarly how i suggested so more will stay and the playerbase will grow. More players in an MMO=more fun.
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#54 - 2014-01-09 07:40:56 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
Castiana Sukarala wrote:


As ive said most of the players in corp are newbies. Even if we all grouped upp at once (not possible because of time difference) we would most likely not win.


Look up the history of Goonswarm sometime.


As a TEST alliance member, I support this advice.

Honor is a fools prize. [I]Glory is of no use to the dead.[/I]

Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager
Castiana Sukarala
#55 - 2014-01-09 07:44:04 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
Castiana Sukarala wrote:
"A gang of half a dozen players with less than 3 months experience in T1 ships is entirely capable of tackling a very expensive ship being flown by a multi year veteran and killing it."

Steam sales acounts arent even a month old ^^. But i get what your saying. And Arkady Romanov ill look into thoose, thanks for the tip.


It is equally true that a dozen players with less than a month of SP can kill a very expensive ship owned by someone with more than a year's playtime.

The most important thing to do is start shooting other people. Immediately. if you really do have 1.5bill in the bank, and the ability to earn more relatively easily, then you can have non-stop fun.

1.5 billion buys a lot of fitted tech 1 frigs and cruisers.

The other thing you must understand is that there are no goals or achievements except what you set for yourself. If you want to be here long term, set a goal for yourself, and go for it. It is also extremely important that you find a corp that you not only enjoy flying with, but who you can talk nonsense with while you ship spin. You're trying to join a community, not just a game.

It also helps if you understand, and accept, that part of the attraction to EVE is its harshness. There are people who are going to do mean things to you. People will try to scam you. They will try to trick you. They will steal from you. This is frustrating, and that is the point. The joy comes from overcoming those obstacles. The only rules are that which are prescribed by CCP in the EULA. Everything else is fair game.

You might also find this phrase helpful:

"Grr goons"


Thanks for your words. Theyve been really helpfull. Thats the thing though i really like all the guys in corp. Ill see if i cant make em all go fight some, if not ill look into the corps you mentioned earlier. The run and hide thing dosn't work anymore at least ^^.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2014-01-09 07:49:09 UTC
This guy seems to be baiting to get decced...

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#57 - 2014-01-09 07:51:34 UTC
Castiana Sukarala wrote:

Thanks for your words. Theyve been really helpfull. Thats the thing though i really like all the guys in corp. Ill see if i cant make em all go fight some, if not ill look into the corps you mentioned earlier. The run and hide thing dosn't work anymore at least ^^.


you might also want to make an alt that sits in a NPC corp doing nothing if you want to post on the forums. Use that character. That way people can't warddec your main and chase you around new eden.

Alternatively; bait people into doing just that, and then kill them. Let them pay the wardec cost, and you reap the kills.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2014-01-09 08:17:40 UTC
Castiana Sukarala wrote:

The smart bomb worked really well for a quest i did which involved alot of drones coming into 2000 meters. It was NOT a pvp fit, and i used it for that mission only.


The smartbomb is going to get you Concordedoken and your security status lowered. I would happily warp my pod on top of you just to see it happen. Your corp should tell you that.

Castiana Sukarala wrote:

It seems a problem with EVE, is theres a bunch of vets, and verry few newbies. Which apparently makes alot of the vets that reply entitled i guess? Dont know what to call ranting at people for beeing new to the game, and mentioning what they felt about it, instead of just some words of advice, which other vets did.


I'm very helpful to players who ask for advice in any aspect of the game that I have some knowledge. You didn't ask for advice. You came to whine about how the game was unfair. However, all of us are playing the same game. We've all been "newbies" and somehow have survived and overcome. Instead of going through that process yourself, you'd like the rules changed to make it easier on you.

Castiana Sukarala wrote:

I saw a good quote in another thread:

"I love EVE its a sandbox, you can do whatever you want etc"
"Your a newb, do what i tell you to".


You're welcome to do whatever you want and not listen to anyone's advice. I'm sure that will work out well.

Castiana Sukarala wrote:

Also most people decide if they want to continue playing an MMO in the first 30 days. Maybe all the "newb" saying what they think about their first experince can help make the game better, not necesarly how i suggested so more will stay and the playerbase will grow. More players in an MMO=more fun.


I decided I wanted to keep playing in less than 30 days. What did it for me? Some jerk ganking my Venture and pod. If you search the eve-o forums real hard you'll fnd the post I made about how ganking was unfair and should be nerfed so newbies didn't get exploded... oh wait.. no.. you won't. Instead I made friends with that guy and he taught me a ton about how ganks work and how to fly safer in general.

More players who are isolated from the player interactions in Eve will not help the player base grow. Players will play the horrible PvE and think that is all there is and in 3 months they'll be gone. Players interacting with players, either for good or bad, is what will keep players involved in the game for much longer.

"He pointed out where newbies started, and said the most traditional path was to be a newbie (novice) and then go into solo PvE -- or at least, single-player PvE... CCP knows these people tend to fall off once they reach this point, because they don't get to the sandbox-- they never get that engaged. Dr. EyjoG referenced the infamous EVE 'learning cliff'." -- Latest CSM minutes.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Castiana Sukarala
#59 - 2014-01-09 08:18:22 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
This guy seems to be baiting to get decced...


Not really I wasnt aware the community worked liked that. Most games ive played the more experienced players don't try to punish new players if they speak about something they feel about the game. Although most of the ones replying here have been helpfull. When someone writes something the normal thing to do if you want to actually involve yourself in the subject is just give your 2 cents, and leave it at that, or say something that might melp ^^.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2014-01-09 08:19:53 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
This guy seems to be baiting to get decced...


If you look at their killboard, you'll know this is not true.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."